Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) I don't know...we're in a tough spot. We dedicated 3 of our top-5 draft picks to defensive backs and we know absolutely NOTHING about them. All 3 ended up on the I.R. So with no idea about Cine and Booth and small doses of Evans as a back-up type, we have no idea if those three (more so Cine & Booth) are part of the solution or not. That means we have to go into 2023 and spend even more on DBs in both draft capital and salary cap and pray to god Cine and Booth become something. Then we need a DT, LBs... Honestly, try and sign a capable veteran CB and go with P-Pat, Dantzler, FA vet, Booth at CB....Cine can get his feet wet next to Harry and hopefully take a starting gig soon....spend draft picks on the front 7, and pray Cine & Booth are both starting level players. If not, 2024 you try again. The truly crappy part is that if we do spend 1-2 years getting back to top-16 defense, we may not have a steady QB on the roster and we'll be back to square one with a good defense and no QB. It would have been nice to know what we have in Cine/Booth to see if there's light at the end of the tunnel and we can dedicate resources elsewhere (D-line, LB, WR2, RB) Edited January 16, 2023 by Vikes_Bolts1228 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 The Vikings could clear $35M in cap space by cutting Kendricks ($9.5M), Hicks ($5M), Harrison Smith ($7.5M), and Za’Darius Smith ($13M). That would be quite the drastic approach to rebuilding the defense, but it might be the right thing to do. Although, I still think Za’Darius and Harrison Smith would look a lot better with a better DC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 4 hours ago, SemperFeist said: The Vikings could clear $35M in cap space by cutting Kendricks ($9.5M), Hicks ($5M), Harrison Smith ($7.5M), and Za’Darius Smith ($13M). That would be quite the drastic approach to rebuilding the defense, but it might be the right thing to do. Although, I still think Za’Darius and Harrison Smith would look a lot better with a better DC. I don’t think smith will be cut. But replace smith with dalvin cook and that makes sense. kinda torn on Z. He’s clearly still good but that’s definitely a high cap number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Who would be some of the top coaching options out there for the 3-4 type defense if we move on? Ejiro Evero might just be on the top of my list if the new staff in Denver lets him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 12 hours ago, SotanKing said: well that's the hope but Cline at the moment is a total unknown Was Cine playing/practicing ahead of Bynum much his injury? I agree he is a total unknown. He has the athletic potential, but I don't know whether he is a good football player yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Cearbhall said: Was Cine playing/practicing ahead of Bynum much his injury? I agree he is a total unknown. He has the athletic potential, but I don't know whether he is a good football player yet. He was getting more and more reps with the ones. But Bynum earned the starting job during training camp and preseason. And even looked the part for the first handful of games. But he completely disappeared and started making a lot of mental errors for the last 10 games or so. I still think so much of the defense’s issues were coaching. I’ve never seen a group of players look so confused about what they were supposed to do. Especially so late in the season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 3 hours ago, gopherwrestler said: Who would be some of the top coaching options out there for the 3-4 type defense if we move on? Ejiro Evero might just be on the top of my list if the new staff in Denver lets him go. I guess Evero is basically off the books as an option. Thought maybe that would be the familiar parring with him being an Ex-Ram guy who worked with KOC. Denver has blocked him for all DC interviews but allowing him to pursue HC gigs. Would have to assume they will be looking for a HC that can work with Evero. A couple names just to float Brian Flores - 3/4 scheme, would fit... Sean Desai - another Vic Fangio disciple Jerod Mayo - Scheme fit, no history as DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, gopherwrestler said: I guess Evero is basically off the books as an option. Thought maybe that would be the familiar parring with him being an Ex-Ram guy who worked with KOC. Denver has blocked him for all DC interviews but allowing him to pursue HC gigs. Would have to assume they will be looking for a HC that can work with Evero. A couple names just to float Brian Flores - 3/4 scheme, would fit... Sean Desai - another Vic Fangio disciple Jerod Mayo - Scheme fit, no history as DC I was thinking DeSai as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Patrick Graham to me, is the one that got away but I don’t think raiders will let him leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, gopherwrestler said: I guess Evero is basically off the books as an option. Thought maybe that would be the familiar parring with him being an Ex-Ram guy who worked with KOC. Denver has blocked him for all DC interviews but allowing him to pursue HC gigs. Would have to assume they will be looking for a HC that can work with Evero. A couple names just to float Brian Flores - 3/4 scheme, would fit... Sean Desai - another Vic Fangio disciple Jerod Mayo - Scheme fit, no history as DC Evero would be tops on my list as well, but the only way he becomes available is if the next HC has his own guy in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 This was the other option I had in mind as well, but sounds like there's a good chance he stays. I honestly figured he would be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 21 minutes ago, gopherwrestler said: Brian Flores - 3/4 scheme, would fit... Sean Desai - another Vic Fangio disciple Jerod Mayo - Scheme fit, no history as DC My biggest issue with Flores is that he’s never struck my as a good Xs and Os guy. He’s a motivator and a leader, but I question his ability as a tactician. Similar concerns with Mayo. I liked the idea of Desai last year, so I’d certainly be open to the idea again. Especially after getting some experience with Pete Carrol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, gopherwrestler said: This was the other option I had in mind as well, but sounds like there's a good chance he stays. I honestly figured he would be gone. I think this is everyone’s top option if he’s let go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 1:41 PM, wcblack34 said: CB Chandon Sullivan Age: 26 Expiring contract: 1 year, $1,750,000 2022 salary: $1,750,000 Chandon Sullivan is As of right now in terms of guys, if they are staying in a 3/4 Tonga should be brought back obviously. DE Dalvin Tomlinson/ J. Lynch NT DE Harrison Phillips/ Otomewo OLB Z. Smith/ Wonnum ILB E. Kendricks/ Asamoah ILB J. Hicks OLB D. Hunter/ P. Jones CB C. Dantzler Slot CB S Harrison Smith / Metellus S Lewis Cine / C. Bynum CB A. Evans/ A. Booth In more of a 4/3 base honestly it looks better, can play Asamoah as a OLB, Hicks can play OLB as well and still has great edge guys which is arguably the only strength of the team. Could go multiple and do some 4/2/5 which could be better or 3/3/5 at times. Sadly Hunter and Z.Smith do not drop well but I would say Hunter dropped in coverage better as a 4/3 DE than a 3/4 OLB. DE D. Hunter/ Wonnum DT Dalvin Tomlinson/ J. Lynch DT Harrison Phillips/ Otomewo DE Z. Smith/ P. Jones OLB Asamoah ILB E. Kendricks ILB J. Hicks The secondary is clearly the issue, who is the slot and who are the starting boundary corners? Also sucks Bynum will be on the bench if Cine is even good. Maybe with Cine's athletic ability he can play the slot at times or cover TEs, or Bynum who did play CB in college. Oh wait that is what Kyle Hamilton is doing on the Ravens, and Cine is way smaller and much thinner and lighter than Hamilton, seriously though Hamilton can blitz off the edge, cover the TE, cover slot receivers or drop back deep in coverage. If CB is not address 1st round and might not be with center on the table potentially, the best corners could all be gone by that 3rd round pick and they would have to trade back up. These guys could be around in that 3rd round or later range and Mullen could play the slot potentially. Ricks and Trice are both outside corners who could do well, Ricks could be great value because before the season he was a 1st round pick but did not have a great year. Martin I like and he has great versatility and tackling and could play safety as well. Jartavius Martin Illinois SR S/CB SR S Tiawan Mullen Indiana SR CB Eli Ricks Alabama JR CB Cory Trice Purdue RS SR CB If they are sticking with a 3/4 Keion White Georgia Tech RS SR DE should be the target in the 3rd round. Kid is big, huge upside and can get after the passer. Then move Phillips or Tomlinson to NT and give a productive rusher on that DL and a guy teams have to pay attention to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, battle2heaven said: Patrick Graham to me, is the one that got away but I don’t think raiders will let him leave. You think Ed had some soft zone coverages, wait until you see Grahams... I do think his whole scheme is a fair amount better then Ed's.... there is actually some aggressiveness to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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