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Donatell fired, who might be our next DC? (Evero to CAR, p.35)


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20 hours ago, vike daddy said:

what does this even mean? is it speculating on what the facts are, or factually speculating?

i mean, it sounds akin to the concept of alternate facts, used to support a position.

It is speculation that is based on facts, to extrapolate projections. 

Fact: salary projections is over the cap/ limit.

Projection: DC candidates are worried that the GM won't obtain an adequate roster of D players.

Fact: Several good Viking players, D and O, are free agents.

Projection: The Vikings most likely won't be able to re-sign all their free agents they prefer to re-sign due to the salary cap problem and market competition for good players.  This also requires consideration of the salary cap problem, no specific solution for which has been announced or suggested by the Vikings FO.

Fact: Rookies and a few other on the roster were injured during 2022.  Not all have been medically cleared to return at 100% level.

Projection:  Not all injured players under contract for 2023 will be able to perform well in 2023.  This simply speculates on the law of averages that some injured NFL players eventually leave the game sooner than other players who remain healthy over most of their career..

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1 minute ago, PrplChilPill said:

I was unaware it was a one year offer. Of course things aren't ideal with the defense, but this constant negativity about this team is tiresome. I'm sure it's kirk's fault somehow....

It was a 'one-and-done' deal with Donatell, right?

Candidates will look for the best situation for themselves and their family over a long period of time.   There are several uncertainties in the Vikings organization. 

It's not Kirk's fault.  Ultimately, it's the Wilf's fault.  If this new FO doesn't perform, you'll know where the real blame lies.

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10 hours ago, vike daddy said:

Ben Solak of the Ringer reported Friday that Irsay is "leaning toward" hiring Saturday and that is the "expected outcome." 

Solak also wrote that the Colts' extensive coaching search has been, in part, a way for Irsay to say he did his due diligence prior to hiring Saturday, if that's indeed his final decision. Irsay faced quite a bit of criticism for naming Saturday, who played 13 seasons as the Colts center but had never previously coached in the NFL or college football, as the team's interim coach.

Solak did note that Irsay could still change his mind. One candidate who seems like he has a shot to do just that is Philadelphia Eagles offensive coordinator Shane Steichen. Steichen is interviewing with the Colts on Saturday, per ESPN's Adam Schefter.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/jim-irsay-colts-reportedly-leaning-toward-hiring-1-candidate-for-head-coach?fbclid=IwAR3asroPMQon0_7viepqAKbaSB2gSxm0RnIihJd7ul74yVx6d3upxXTK8iQ

Nailed it. 

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The Cardinals are moving closer to naming a new head coach.

Albert Breer of SI.com reports that the team has narrowed the field to three finalists. Steelers senior defensive assistant and linebackers coach Brian Flores, Bengals defensive coordinator Lou Anarumo and Giants offensive coordinator Mike Kafka are the remaining candidates for Arizona.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/05/report-cardinals-narrow-field-to-brian-flores-mike-kafka-lou-anarumo/

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2 hours ago, JDBrocks said:

I’ll see some of you around draft time, probably. This place sucks in the offseason when the tinfoil hat told-ya-so folks come out of hibernation.

See ya.  
 

Anyway…

 

Maybe those that said the Vikings will just make Pettine the DC were right.  We tried to be too cute and it, so far, has backfired on us. Again. 
 

If Flores is still wanting to be here, I don’t waste a second to get him in here. 

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21 minutes ago, Morlee said:

We tried to be too cute and it, so far, has backfired on us. Again. 

Can you cite examples of the Vikes being too cute, or not strategizing this well? I mean, what do you know of the inner private processes that support your view?

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11 hours ago, PrplChilPill said:

I was unaware it was a one year offer. Of course things aren't ideal with the defense, but this constant negativity about this team is tiresome. I'm sure it's kirk's fault somehow....

Not necessarily Kirk’s fault, it’s management/ownership issue. 

there might be 15-20 available candidates for DC world wide, and everyone knows everyone in the business. Management issues are certainly an area that will get magnified, and may deter some candidates from considering this team. 

there really isn’t much offsetting positives, we’re not a big free agent destination, we don’t get alot of media attention, we’re continuously doubted, and our current roster is not really is a position to win-now (playoffs)

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People act on here that the current defensive players is the same exact personnel that they will go into the 2023 season with. 

The cap can be massaged. Look at the saints, they are constantly negative 50m this time of year, every year. and then they get under.

The Vikings will get under, they will make tough decisions on veterans that dont perform up to their salary. They will obtain younger, startable players. They will improve the defense.  And then the people who complain about the defense will get to complain about something else. Probably Kirk, probably interior O-line or something.

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Ok to stay on topic, I found this on the Vikings Reddit and its very informative.

If they do miss out on Brian Flores, I think they will re-set a bit in their search. I don't think they will necessarily "settle" for Pettine right away. Here are some names that make sense.

https://old.reddit.com/r/minnesotavikings/comments/10ur65u/dc_pivot_options/

Steve Wilks: after Matt Rhule was relieved of his duties as Carolina's HC, Wilks led the Panthers to a 6-6 record, primarily on the back of his young defensive core. With the Panthers opting not to bring him back as HC or DC, he's a top name on the market. San Francisco has indicated interest in Wilks as DeMeco Ryans' replacement at DC, and it's hard to see a world in which he'd choose the Vikings over the 49ers given the huge difference in talent.

Vance Joseph: as Arizona narrows its list of HC candidates, a likely odd man out is current DC Vance Joseph. If he is not selected as the next HC, it's hard to see him sticking around with such massive overhaul in the building. A well-traveled DBs coach and DC, he also has HC experience in Denver, and would be a safe fallback option with a better track record than Pettine.

Cory Undlin: while DeMeco Ryans rightfully received the most attention leading San Francisco's league-best defense, Undlin has been a high-ranking assistant, serving as the DBs coach and pass game specialist the last two years. Undlin has one year of DC experience for a pitiful Lions squad in Matt Patricia's final year in 2020. If the Vikings are interested in poaching a leader of a top unit in the league, Undlin is the logical next man up. He could also be in the running to be promoted to DC in San Francisco, which would take him off the table.

Dennard Wilson: an up-and-coming name in the defensive coaching ranks, Wilson has served as the Eagles' DBs coach since 2021, adding the title of Passing Game Coordinator in 2022. Wilson has helped get the most of a star-studded unit, and Vikings fans will remember his group's performance limiting Justin Jefferson this season. Wilson has never held a DC position, and would be more of a gamble, but if the goal is to find a young mind to pair with O'Connell, he could be a good fit.

Chris Harris: another young coach quickly rising the ranks, Harris is currently the Commanders' DBs coach, having coached DBs since 2013 following an 8-year career as a free safety in the NFL. Harris has received interest from both San Francisco and Houston for their vacant DC positions, and it seems he's destined for a DC job in the coming years. His work with a young secondary in Washington has been impressive, especially his development of later round picks such as Benjamin St-Juste, Darrick Forrest, and Kamren Curl.

James Bettcher: Bettcher has the most wide-ranging resume on this list, having served as a DC for two teams, coaching both DL and LBs, and coaching in both the NFL and college, all while still being only 44 years old. He's most recently served as the Bengals' LB coach, helping unlock Germaine Pratt and Logan Wilson, key contributors in a unit that outperformed its individual talent. Bettcher's results as a DC in Arizona and with the Giants may be a cause for concern, but it's fair to point out he was in his 30's for these roles and may have learned from past mistakes.

Jim Leonhard: breaking into the college ranks, Leonhard has led the staunch Badgers defense since 2017, joining the coaching staff in 2016 after his 10-year career in the NFL as a safety after going undrafted. Leonhard's units have continuously impressed, utilizing hybrid fronts that have become popular in both the college and pro game. It's unclear where Leonhard would like to coach following his departure from Wisconsin (he served as interim HC after Paul Chryst's departure, but was ultimately replaced by Cincinnati's Luke Fickell), but it's clear both college and NFL team's have interest in his services.

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53 minutes ago, battle2heaven said:

People act on here that the current defensive players is the same exact personnel that they will go into the 2023 season with. 

And that's likely why the potential DCs have taken jobs elsewhere.  It's unknown to them what personnel they'll be dealing with, while it's much clearer in Carolina and Denver.  

Also, unlike others, if it does end up being Pettine, I'm absolutely fine with that.  Packers fans rip him for the job he did there...but they're even worse now...so was it him?  Or their personnel? 

 

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3 minutes ago, swede700 said:

And that's likely why the potential DCs have taken jobs elsewhere.  It's unknown to them what personnel they'll be dealing with, while it's much clearer in Carolina and Denver.  

There is one candidate, that we know of, that turned the Vikings down. And that is Evero.

Ben Goessling confirmed Desai took himself out because he saw he wasn't one of the Vikings top choices. They could have offered Nielsen before the Falcons, but they didn't.

I've been seeing this a lot everywhere. It's only been Evero. 

 

Now hypothetically, if Flores doesn't get the AZ job. But he gets the Denver job, would the Vikings circle back to Desai? Would Desai even entertain that? I think that ship has sailed now.

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