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TT drafting vs the other GM's (Career approx Value)


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Sifted through the profootball draft finder

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi

compiled all 32 teams from 2005-2017 (some were longer to compare other GM's that have been in their position as long as TT)

Here are the rankings from 2005-2017.  I used the total players drafted and the sum of those players CaV, then took the average.  

 

  2005 to 2017
   
  CaV
  average per player drafted
   
NO 14.22222222
CAR 13.92631579
GB 13.47933884
DEN 13.4040404
ATL 13.09183673
LAC/SD 12.59770115
HOU 12.36363636
DAL 11.98095238
NYJ 11.96666667
SEA 11.74561404
MIA 11.70588235
PHI 11.65217391
BAL 11.46788991
SF 11.46280992
KC 11.3047619
NE 11.19469027
ARI 11.10869565
TEN 11.09482759
PIT 10.99074074
CIN 10.96521739
JAX 10.93684211
BUF 10.84158416
IND 10.64705882
CHI 10.50537634
MIN 10.28037383
NYG 10.25842697
DET 10.04901961
TB 10.02970297
OAK 9.538461538
LAR/STL 9.51754386
CLE 8.946428571
WAS 8.735294118
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Here is the compiled date from 2010 to 2017.  

 

  2010 to 2017
   
  CaV
  average per player drafted
   
SEA 10.32467532
DEN 9.793650794
CAR 9.41509434
MIA 9.14516129
NE 9.102941176
KC 8.725806452
ARI 8.724137931
HOU 8.6875
DAL 8.634920635
TB 8.571428571
PIT 8.447761194
GB 8.405797101
CIN 8.319444444
LAC/SD 8.150943396
ATL 8.054545455
BUF 8.032786885
LAR/STL 7.757142857
NO 7.755102041
CHI 7.56
WAS 7.550724638
IND 7.525423729
OAK 7.402985075
PHI 7.328571429
DET 7.241935484
JAX 7.196428571
TEN 7.044776119
CLE 6.851351351
NYG 6.814814815
BAL 6.75
SF 6.481012658
MIN 6.394736842
NYJ 6.237288136
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10 hours ago, squire12 said:

Here is the compiled date from 2010 to 2017.  

 

 

  2010 to 2017
   
  CaV
  average per player drafted
   
SEA 10.32467532
DEN 9.793650794
CAR 9.41509434
MIA 9.14516129
NE 9.102941176
KC 8.725806452
ARI 8.724137931
HOU 8.6875
DAL 8.634920635
TB 8.571428571
PIT 8.447761194
GB 8.405797101
CIN 8.319444444
LAC/SD 8.150943396
ATL 8.054545455
BUF 8.032786885
LAR/STL 7.757142857
NO 7.755102041
CHI 7.56
WAS 7.550724638
IND 7.525423729
OAK 7.402985075
PHI 7.328571429
DET 7.241935484
JAX 7.196428571
TEN 7.044776119
CLE 6.851351351
NYG 6.814814815
BAL 6.75
SF 6.481012658
MIN 6.394736842
NYJ 6.237288136

The data above indicates the Packers rank 12th out of 32 teams for measuring drafting success since 2010.

The Packers 2010 draft was quite good. Bulaga and Burnett have been mainstays when not injured. Starks was a sixth-round steal. Neal, Quarless, and CJ Wilson all played several seasons and the much-maligned Marshall Newhouse is still playing.

Most objective observers have already acknowledged that the drafting during the first six years of TT's time (2005 to 2010) as GM was excellent to elite.

However, take away 2010 and where do Ted's drafts rank since 2011?

Is it inaccurate to state, that using CaV to measure "success", that the drafting has been decidedly mediocre (14th-18th ranking) since 2011?

 

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Just now, TheOnlyThing said:

Is it inaccurate to state, that using CaV to measure "success", that the drafting has been decidedly mediocre (14th-18th ranking) since 2011?

 

 

Only if it's inaccurate to say that draft position and draft capital wasn't taken into account.

If we ranked 14th-18th in draft success while averaging 25th in draft position, we're excelling.  It's simple math. 

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34 minutes ago, TheOnlyThing said:

Is it inaccurate to state, that using CaV to measure "success", that the drafting has been decidedly mediocre (14th-18th ranking) since 2011?

If 14th-18th is mediocre, what is 19th+?  And this wouldn't be as big an issue if Ted had supplemented his draft misses with FA signings.  But that hasn't been the case, which is part of the reason why the Packers have struggled this year. Like others have said, we've outproduced our draft position.

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3 hours ago, Mazrimiv said:

Interesting stuff.  Is it easy to extract the numbers from 2011 forward?  Seems to be a bit of a disagreement in another thread about TT's draft success since 2011.

Not hard to do.  Will just need to adjust the formula.  

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1 hour ago, CWood21 said:

If 14th-18th is mediocre, what is 19th+?  And this wouldn't be as big an issue if Ted had supplemented his draft misses with FA signings.  But that hasn't been the case, which is part of the reason why the Packers have struggled this year. Like others have said, we've outproduced our draft position.

I believe they have looked into plenty of fa that might have made sense but most of the signings turn out more like Martellus Bennett than Charles Woodson. They've shown the willingness to make deals they feel are good value, and I think the "ignoring fa" narrative is pretty much garbage.

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On 11/26/2017 at 9:58 AM, HorizontoZenith said:

Only if it's inaccurate to say that draft position and draft capital wasn't taken into account.

If we ranked 14th-18th in draft success while averaging 25th in draft position, we're excelling.  It's simple math. 

this. yet it will continue to be ignored.

GB had almost certainly top 5 worst draft capital over any of these timeframes. Most likely, top 2 worst. That they still drafted elite or above average is a testament to the front office.

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2011-2017 draft capital for the top 10 teams on that chart for the chase stuart chart: http://www.footballperspective.com/draft-value-chart/

and the traditional Jimmy johnson chart.

  Chase Stuart Chart Jimmy Johnson Chart
GB 277.3 9009.9
SEA 264.1 8078.9
DEN 291.6 11600.7
CAR 294.4 13417.4
MIA 315.8 13617
NE 271.5 9189.8
KC 309.6 12866.7
ARI 299.5 12131.4
HOU 324.5 14039.5

 

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20 minutes ago, skibrett15 said:

2011-2017 draft capital for the top 10 teams on that chart for the chase stuart chart: http://www.footballperspective.com/draft-value-chart/

and the traditional Jimmy johnson chart.

  Chase Stuart Chart Jimmy Johnson Chart
GB 277.3 9009.9
SEA 264.1 8078.9
DEN 291.6 11600.7
CAR 294.4 13417.4
MIA 315.8 13617
NE 271.5 9189.8
KC 309.6 12866.7
ARI 299.5 12131.4
HOU 324.5 14039.5

 

Does Seattle get lowered because they traded a first round pick, twice? Just curious 

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