TT drafting vs the other GM's (Career approx Value)

[cannondale]

Nice work on the graphs.

The only thing I would say is that the graphs are usable and accurate as long as the constant is the same. TT wasn't the same constant the last 4 years or so. We've all heard the rumors. Russ Ball was in charge of a lot of things he shouldn't have been toward the end - which is why MM spoke up and got involved IMO

[TheOnlyThing]

3 hours ago, pacman5252 said:

It is easy to hate on TT today. I will defend TT a little bit. It isn't uncommon to only have a player or 2 still on a team from draft classes 4 -6 years out.

Look at Minnesota

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/draft.htm

Players left on their roster

2012-  1 Harrison Smith

2013-  1- X Rhodes

2014- 2 A Barr, J Price (backup depth guy)

Their 2015 was a home run (kendricks, Diggs, Hunter, Waynes). Their 2016 draft likely will all be off the team in 2 years.

You can go through the same exercise with every team. Super bowl teams have a draft or 2 back to back where they get 4 good high end core players. The rest is lackluster

It is true that other franchises also made poor draft picks over the previous 6-7 years.

However, as this thread makes clear, some fans took the position that the Packers prior GM was not like other GMs but rather was "elite" when it came to drafting.

Gute's moves yesterday and really ever since he took over strongly suggest he did not view the recent drafting to be elite.

It must also be noted that no NFL GM was more devoted to drafting and developing his own guys and more averse to adding veterans through free agency and player trades than the Pack's previous GM.

Consequently, his lackluster to poor drafting during the last several years of his reign was especially devastating to the Pack's roster.

Just looking at the current Vikings roster (the one you compared with the Pack's roster above), Minnesota added, prior to 2018, the likes of Linval Joseph, Tom Johnson, Latavius Murray, and Riley Reiff, to offset their draft misses. 

Similarly the team we play Sunday night, the Patriots, added veterans such as Chris Hogan, Stephon Gilmore, Lawrence Guy, and Kyle Van Noy to alleviate their drafting miscues.

By comparison, the one and only member of the Pack's current roster whom the prior GM brought in via veteran free agency is Lance Kendricks. 

When the previous GM's draft misses began piling up and he continued to mostly ignore other ways of acquiring talent the Packers' roster began to deteriorate and he was replaced. 

[CWood21]

11 minutes ago, TheOnlyThing said:

Gute's moves yesterday and really ever since he took over strongly suggest he did not view the recent drafting to be elite.

That's not necessarily the case.  In the case of HHCD, that clearly was a situation where HHCD wasn't going to re-sign with the Packers and risk losing him in FA with no compensation, they received a 4th round pick this year as opposed to potentially getting a compensatory pick next year.  To me, that indicates that Gute intends to be a FA player next offseason.  In the case of Ty Montgomery, the writing was on the wall after the Rams game.  You can't go against the directions of the coaching staff and think you're going to go unscathed.  Well, unless you're Aaron Rodgers.  At the end of the day, there were enough rumblings that HHCD had one foot out the door, and the Packers weren't interested in meeting his asking price to they moved him for an actual asset.

[pacman5252]

9 hours ago, TheOnlyThing said:

It is true that other franchises also made poor draft picks over the previous 6-7 years.

However, as this thread makes clear, some fans took the position that the Packers prior GM was not like other GMs but rather was "elite" when it came to drafting.

Gute's moves yesterday and really ever since he took over strongly suggest he did not view the recent drafting to be elite.

It must also be noted that no NFL GM was more devoted to drafting and developing his own guys and more averse to adding veterans through free agency and player trades than the Pack's previous GM.

Consequently, his lackluster to poor drafting during the last several years of his reign was especially devastating to the Pack's roster.

Just looking at the current Vikings roster (the one you compared with the Pack's roster above), Minnesota added, prior to 2018, the likes of Linval Joseph, Tom Johnson, Latavius Murray, and Riley Reiff, to offset their draft misses. 

Similarly the team we play Sunday night, the Patriots, added veterans such as Chris Hogan, Stephon Gilmore, Lawrence Guy, and Kyle Van Noy to alleviate their drafting miscues.

By comparison, the one and only member of the Pack's current roster whom the prior GM brought in via veteran free agency is Lance Kendricks. 

When the previous GM's draft misses began piling up and he continued to mostly ignore other ways of acquiring talent the Packers' roster began to deteriorate and he was replaced. 

I'm not going to debate the last couple drafts outside 2016 have been lackluster.

Since you are going to argue FA moves, your flexibility as a team is always 4 years behind your draft class (cheap labor). When you hit on picks, you have good cheap control for 4 years while they are on their rookie deal. After that, you have to pay up.

Part of the reason we didn't sign FAs was because up until about 2013, our drafts were pretty good and we really didn't have roster flexibility to pay non drafted players. When TT got in he was aggressive (got Woodson/Picket), After a few drafts and paying his guys (AR, Jennings, Clay, Cobb, Jordy,  etc), the roster was kind of capped out and we didn't really have flexibility. 

Minnesota on the other hand from 2010-2015 they were a bottom of the league team (2008-2011 had really bad drafts), without a franchise QB on the payroll. They made the playoffs once in that period  (Peterson in god mode 2k, they didn't really have a good team.) and didn't really have players they needed to resign (their drafts 2008-11 were bad). They could go out and sign a Joseph and Reif . They had a lot of roster flexibility, hit on their 2015 class and won a division. Now they are capped out (Spotrac has them with 10M in cap space next year, so essentially they can just sign their draft class unless they cut players)

It isn't like we left 20M on the table every year, or a 2M dollar a year player was ever going to put the team over the top at any moment.