mtmmike Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, INbengalfan said: Maybe 5%. But the whole group of owners were pi$$ed about that contract, so I could see a collusion level embargo on not trading for him. He's yours. It may work out. You've already took the most intense heat over it, might as well see what happens. Your right But considering that if he went to a team like Minnesota that is 99 percent likely to get rid of Cousins he make take them up a level. Another point is that he turns in number like before and Cleveland still finishes last then you could see real demand for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir L Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Broncos no draft capital no cap capital no good qb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) On 1/28/2023 at 2:33 PM, incognito_man said: This is how I looked at it as well. Being awful is often a great way to get really good quickly. So who are the middling teams that won't get premium draft capital and are somehow "stuck" with QB play that isn't going to cut it. I think Denver, Minnesota, Chicago and Arizona fit that mold. The Rams might too at this point. This doesn't make sense..you do know we have the 1st pick in the draft right. How is this not premium draft capital? Also we're not stuck with QB play that isn't going to cut it Fields is still early enough in his career where you can't make a judgement call like that and he is also on a rookie contract... If he doesn't pan out then the team is very likely looking to replace him at this point in time next year with no financial repercussions I've already counted two Packers fans mention Bears in this thread...how about you look at your own team you homers 😂 the future doesn't exactly look too bright for you right now Edited January 31, 2023 by topwop1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 48 minutes ago, topwop1 said: This doesn't make sense..you do know we have the 1st pick in the draft right. How is this not premium draft capital? Also we're not stuck with QB play that isn't going to cut it Fields is still early enough in his career where you can't make a judgement call like that and he is also on a rookie contract... If he doesn't pan out then the team is very likely looking to replace him at this point in time next year with no financial repercussions I've already counted two Packers fans mention Bears in this thread...how about you look at your own team you homers 😂 the future doesn't exactly look too bright for you right now Someone is insecure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 46 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Someone is insecure Not insecure just calling out your post because you contradict yourself. Make it make sense buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) On 1/29/2023 at 7:00 PM, Vladimir L said: Broncos no draft capital no cap capital no good qb what if nobody will accept the HC job there in denver ? Just imagine they would have to forfeit their season then, no more picks to forfeit . who would want to ruin their coaching career going there? Edited January 31, 2023 by 3rivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/27/2023 at 10:01 PM, Danger said: Saints Bears Colts Falcons Buccaneers Broncos Some of these teams not because of the sheer amount of talent they have on their team right now but just because they're window is closed and it's going to be some time before their window is open again. Bears and Falcons at least have the cap and picks to be better next year and compete for a playoff spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 31 minutes ago, scar988 said: Bears and Falcons at least have the cap and picks to be better next year and compete for a playoff spot. Falcons should be looking to improve their QB play, so they're tough to judge currently. Chicago is handcuffed to a guy who ain't it and just gave up essentially a first round pick for chase Claypool. They aint competing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankWilliams Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 32 minutes ago, scar988 said: Bears and Falcons at least have the cap and picks to be better next year and compete for a playoff spot. Thats my thought as well. From the bears perspective, obviously they have a ton of needs, pretty much everywhere, but they have tons of cap space and will likely leverage the #1 pick to get plenty of extra draft capital as well. You don't see a lot of teams spend big in free agency and become overnight contenders, so I don't think they will become a playoff team in 2023, but I think they will likely make pretty big strides in 2023 from where they were this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 The first thing to look at would be who is missing the most important and hard to find pieces that make up a great team: head coach, QB, edge rushers, OL. Is there a team who has none of them? The Texans seem to qualify. The currently do not have a head coach at all (although Ryans would definitely be a positive hire). No QB, no EDGE, 1 great OL, 1 good OL. Colts absolutely qualify. No head coach, no QB, awful OL (even Nelson played poorly last year). Bears qualify as well. Questionable head coach who hasn't proven anything yet, questionable QB, awful OL, no edge. Those would probably be my top-3 most far away teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, incognito_man said: Falcons should be looking to improve their QB play, so they're tough to judge currently. Chicago is handcuffed to a guy who ain't it and just gave up essentially a first round pick for chase Claypool. They aint competing... Desmond Ridder deserves a shot to improve and actually play with Kyle Pitts. I do think the Falcons need a WR2 and better slot options though. Justin Fields is the guy for the Bears though. Build him an OL. 58 minutes ago, TankWilliams said: Thats my thought as well. From the bears perspective, obviously they have a ton of needs, pretty much everywhere, but they have tons of cap space and will likely leverage the #1 pick to get plenty of extra draft capital as well. You don't see a lot of teams spend big in free agency and become overnight contenders, so I don't think they will become a playoff team in 2023, but I think they will likely make pretty big strides in 2023 from where they were this year. Agreed. Though, I do think a team like Atlanta could spend big on 2 guys and fill in the rest with competent, hungry players like they did this year and then draft to try and get some blue chippers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/27/2023 at 10:01 PM, Danger said: Some of these teams not because of the sheer amount of talent they have on their team right now but just because they're window is closed and it's going to be some time before their window is open again. Exactly, this question isnt who the worst teams are but rather teams that have a chance at catching lightning in a bottle and competing for a SB. Teams picking high could land their franchise QB and immediately contend for 3 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Did Snyder sell the team yet? No? Then the Commanders. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 57 minutes ago, minutemancl said: Colts absolutely qualify. No head coach, no QB, awful OL (even Nelson played poorly last year). Bears qualify as well. Questionable head coach who hasn't proven anything yet, questionable QB, awful OL, no edge. I agree. The Colts (Aggregate Rankings:18th, but DVOA:32nd) fell off a cliff against daunting (5th) competition last year. Worse yet, the Strength of Schedule charts that I've seen suggest it'll get even worse in 2023. 1-4-1 in that division is no badge of honor and beating the Texans ain't gonna get any easier. However, unlike Chicago (who are the furthest thing from "middling") and Houston, the core of a recently successful Indi team remains and hasn't aged out yet. They do have decent draft capital (9th versus Jacksonville's 16th), though nowhere near as good as Chicago's (4th) or Houston's (1st). Things aren't exactly rosy for the Titans (Agg:24th, DVOA:23rd, Draft Capital:21st, Dead Money:10th) either. The Colt finances seem reasonably good. As much as I liked Frank Reich, dropping their Head Coach was addition by subtraction. Pending their draft, I would not be at all surprised to see Indianapolis return to one-and-done contention in the still feeble AFC South. They do need a top 24 QB, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 40 minutes ago, scar988 said: Desmond Ridder deserves a shot to improve and actually play with Kyle Pitts. I do think the Falcons need a WR2 and better slot options though. Justin Fields is the guy for the Bears though. Build him an OL If ATL rolls with Ridder and CHI rolls with Fields, I'm very comfortable keeping them in the "furthest away from contending" group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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