swede700 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Just now, JDBrocks said: It was clear holding, and the db admitted it was, but I do wish that they would've let it go. He tugged a little, but I don't think it really impacted the play at all, since it was so far overthrown. There's no way he would have caught up to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 minute ago, swede700 said: He tugged a little, but I don't think it really impacted the play at all, since it was so far overthrown. There's no way he would have caught up to it. The hold happened before the ball was thrown, otherwise it would've been a PI call. He tugged his jersey because he got beat on the whip, I think Mahomes saw it and threw it that way to make sure - he looked like he knew it was coming the whole time. Again - I would've let it go, but it was the correct call. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 that was one of the better Super Bowls of recent years, i think all agree to that. almost mistake free, a coaching duel, top flight athletic performances, no real ego thumping, respectful of everyone involved. oh, and the Eagles lost. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Pat had a great game. KC also spent the right amount of money on the correct OL, Orlando Brown and Joe Thuney. Most teams are not in a positions to get these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 44 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: It was clear holding, and the db admitted it was, but I do wish that they would've let it go. The problem is that it hadn’t been called all game. I’ll look for the tweet to give credit to the author, but someone said it best that players play to the game that is being called. They adjust to how officials officiate the game. Players, for both teams, were being allowed to play physical for 58 minutes. And there was nothing from the Bradberry play to suggest that he was playing that receiver any differently than anyone else throughout the game. So, yes, as the rule is written it was a hold. But for how the entire game had been called, it was an inconsistent, and therefor bad, call. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) i've never really understood why we as fans get so upset with "bad" calls from the refs. sometimes they, *gasp*, make mistakes. mistakes that might even influence the outcome of the game. but the athletes make mistakes too that influence the outcome of the game. we are disappointed by those (or overjoyed) but we accept them as part of the game, the human element. heck, we even have stats that keep track of them. why do we expect the refs to be perfect? Edited February 13, 2023 by vike daddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, vike daddy said: i've never really understood why we as fans get so upset with "bad" calls from the refs. sometimes they, *gasp*, make mistakes. mistakes that might even influence the outcome of the game. but the athletes make mistakes too that influence the outcome of the game. we are disappointed by those (or overjoyed) but we accept them as part of the game, the human element. heck, we even have stats that keep track of them. why do we expect the refs to be perfect? I personally just believe, as in the last few minutes of a basketball game, in the last 2-3 minutes of the game unless it's outright egregious, you swallow the whistle. Players certainly make mistakes, and so do officials...can't expect them to be perfect (I never do), but they know as well as we do what time it is in the game, and they have the control to let things go or make the call. In this particular instance, I don't feel it was egregious enough to make the call. Butker could have still made the FG regardless, since he was in range, but it certainly would have given Philly a greater opportunity to tie it up again. However a bigger point is that Philly does need another QB on the bench to throw up Hail Marys, as they should never let Hurts try again. 😂 Edited February 13, 2023 by swede700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, swede700 said: I personally just believe, as in the last few minutes of a basketball game, in the last 2-3 minutes of the game unless it's outright egregious, you swallow the whistle. and boom, by doing that you encourage the players to step over the line of fair play, to gain an advantage. then we get teams hiring Rule Allowance Advisors on the coaching staff. no thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 minute ago, vike daddy said: and boom, by doing that you encourage the players to step over the line of fair play, to gain an advantage. then we get teams hiring Rule Allowance Advisors on the coaching staff. no thank you. I don't think that'd happen. For many years, it was basically an unwritten rule to swallow the whistle and it happened rarely that officials influenced the outcomes in the final moments (although it certainly still happened). It's only a recent phenomenon that officials have done so, and I largely think that is because they've been pressured by their NFL bosses and the "rating system." Back in the day, they had a lot more security in their positions, which allowed them that opportunity to not care as much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 and by the way, congrats to Jerrick McKinnon for not only being on a SB winning team, but having a significant contribution. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Just now, vike daddy said: and by the way, congrats to Jerrick McKinnon for not only being on a SB winning team, but having a significant contribution. At least he got to beat Philly this time. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, vike daddy said: and by the way, congrats to Jerrick McKinnon for not only being on a SB winning team, but having a significant contribution. I was thinking on that last rushing play about how excruciating that must be - maybe his only chance at scoring a touchdown in a super bowl, and of course you do it for the team, but the end zone is right there and you can't cross the goal line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 minute ago, JDBrocks said: I was thinking on that last rushing play about how excruciating that must be - maybe his only chance at scoring a touchdown in a super bowl, and of course you do it for the team, but the end zone is right there and you can't cross the goal line. true, but i bet he was shown more respect by his coaches and the players in the know for what he did, than he would have got for a td. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Where does Andy Reid sit in the pantheon of head coaches? 10 Conference championship games, 4 conference Championships, 2 NFL championships. With 2 different franchises. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 To say it shouldn't have been called is a bit shortsighted. The holding call prevented a first down or a straight TD. If no call is made, they would have either went for it on 4th or taken a FG. If you take the FG, it would give Philly a real opportunity to win the game with about 90 seconds plus ~ 1 timeout. The call had to be made. Bradbury (if losing leverage) coould have given up the catch/TD, and they still have ~90 seconds and a timeout to tie/win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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