deeluxx3 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Firing JRob mid-season was, in a lot of ways, a very questionable move. While he had made some massive errors that had been piling up, I don't think anyone could objectively call him a "bad" GM. He helped us to several winning seasons, 2 division titles, and playoff births. One could certainly make the argument that he "earned" a chance to fix things after they started going awry this season. That said, by piecing together the semi-cryptic allusions to Jrob not being "collaborative," the hire of Ran Carthon, hearing what Ran is about, etc...are you "happier" about the state of the organization right now moving forward w/ RC-Vrabel? I assume this will be a resounding "yes" across the forum, but just curious and think it's a worthy discussion topic while we get through some early/boring offseason days right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Eh, I'm not sure we "know" that much, really. We're piecing together some stuff between the lines and whatnot, but I question the validity of a lot of it. The lack of collaboration doesn't make sense to me. He repeatedly drafted Vrabely type players (i.e. receivers that can block and nothing else), and they seemed to have a similar vision for how the team should be built. With the replacement GM we have, I feel much better about it than before, I think Carthon looks like he could be a good and modern GM that will get us away from some of the "old school" crap that's been holding us back. But I don't know if I'm gonna feel comfortable saying much until after the draft and free agency. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTitan Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I still don't think firing him in season was the right decision. I might have still gave him one more season, because this last draft class was a good one to me. Got a lot of production from majority of them. But the evidence against became more and more as the season went on and as the season is done. I still think this is a result business and his results were better than most others. Without knowing who wanted who, it is clear there wasn't enough "COLLABORATION." lol Hindsight: 60% Right. 40% Would have given it one more year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeluxx3 Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, Daniel said: Eh, I'm not sure we "know" that much, really. We're piecing together some stuff between the lines and whatnot, but I question the validity of a lot of it. The lack of collaboration doesn't make sense to me. He repeatedly drafted Vrabely type players (i.e. receivers that can block and nothing else), and they seemed to have a similar vision for how the team should be built. With the replacement GM we have, I feel much better about it than before, I think Carthon looks like he could be a good and modern GM that will get us away from some of the "old school" crap that's been holding us back. But I don't know if I'm gonna feel comfortable saying much until after the draft and free agency. well the fact that we don't "know" that much is the point of the poll. It's to get a gut check on how fans are feeling after the RC hire and how RC is filling out his own staff. What receivers did we draft that can block and nothing else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, deeluxx3 said: well the fact that we don't "know" that much is the point of the poll. It's to get a gut check on how fans are feeling after the RC hire and how RC is filling out his own staff. What receivers did we draft that can block and nothing else? Dez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeluxx3 Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Daniel said: Dez. Not convinced about using Dez as an example for how JRob and Vrabel were working in lockstep, given he was an over drafted 4th round WR who Vrabel criticized during his rookie TC and dez also hasn’t really proven to be good at anything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, deeluxx3 said: Not convinced about using Dez as an example for how JRob and Vrabel were working in lockstep, given he was an over drafted 4th round WR who Vrabel criticized during his rookie TC and dez also hasn’t really proven to be good at anything Eh, fair, but he was at least praised for his blocking as one of the things they liked about him as a prospect. And we all know how much Vrabel likes his blocking WRs. But it's perhaps not the best example, but they did seem to be on the same page a lot. And I don't think anything that's been said, directly, by either of them says otherwise. A lot of press releases have definitely implied it, but I'm more inclined that that's scapegoat language, which we see a lot in firings. I will admit they did not seem to be in lock step on the AJ Brown trade. But that seems like the exception more than the rule to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeluxx3 Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Daniel said: Eh, fair, but he was at least praised for his blocking as one of the things they liked about him as a prospect. And we all know how much Vrabel likes his blocking WRs. But it's perhaps not the best example, but they did seem to be on the same page a lot. And I don't think anything that's been said, directly, by either of them says otherwise. A lot of press releases have definitely implied it, but I'm more inclined that that's scapegoat language, which we see a lot in firings. I will admit they did not seem to be in lock step on the AJ Brown trade. But that seems like the exception more than the rule to me. I hear ya, we'll never truly know the working dynamics If I try my best to read between the lines, it seems like Robinson's staff wasn't working closely enough with Vrabel's staff...like scouts weren't working closely enough with positional coaches. We'll never know, tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSlim Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 At the time, I thought he had earned and deserved another year. Looking at where this roster currently stands, how the past few offseasons have gone and the cryptic comments about collaborating or lack there of, I think it was the right move. Maybe we could’ve waited until the end of the season, but then we wouldn’t gotten the head start we got in meeting Ran and some of the other candidates at that meeting held in December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansNvolsR#1 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Hard to say. Carthon has the benefit of being a shiny new GM with no blemishes. He'll have his share in a few years so we'll know more then. Regardless, you can't have as many misses as we've had on Day 1 and 2 and keep your job. Let alone all the FA and personnel blunders he's had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolateman78 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 While it was shocking, I was okay with it when it happened and I still am now. I remember hearing somewhere, maybe it was TD's podcast... that one of the reasons was that he thought all of the talent on this team was replaceable, which is why he traded AJ and let guys who were key to our offense walk in FA (Saffold, Conklin, Corey and Jonnu). But yet he was never able to actually replace those guys with comparable talent,in fact most of those attempts to replace those guys were disastrous. He deserves blame for that. Also that Mike Vrabel wasnt on board with the Julio trade. He didn't like being handed a washed up WR who could barely practice and then couldn't stay healthy for the handful of reps he actually got in game. Ultimately this reeks of the Mularkey firing. Amy's not satisfied with good enough. As a fanbase I think we should appreciate that mindset. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanRedd Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Loved Da F#ck out of it, though I saw & called the AJ trade before it happened it was bold, dumb, & suicidal. You keep your cornerstone players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VY-FTW Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 He traded AJ freaking Brown who had barely stepped into his prime... For Treylon Burks and at this point I dont see Burks having anywhere near AJs talent. Like he is a good solid player when he was out there and listen Trey MIGHT become a star player but AJ IS a SUPERSTAR player going into his prime. YOU just dont make that trade unless the player has off the field issues or something lol So with that move alone yes he deserved to lose his job and it was the right move. Should've been fired on the spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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