KingOfNewYork Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 I cannot fathom why teams continue to do this. Timeouts are way too valuable to waste to save 5 yards, especially on 1st and 2nd down. 3rd and 3 or less I kinda get but it’s never worth it IMO. Anyone disagree? Would you burn a timeout to save 5 yards? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Depends on team composition. With a healthy Stafford/Kupp and a good offensive line (i.e. 2021)....I'd rather save the timeout For the Rams in 2022....a five yard penalty kills a drive what felt like every time. Is a timeout worth increasing your odds of extending a drive? I think the answer to that is yes in the first half, probably no in the second half.....but again it depends on the situation. Are we winning in the second half? By how much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 In 9-6 ball game when my offense has been struggling and I’m knocking on the door to field goal range? In a 13-7 game, when I finally get the ball in goal-to-go? Sure, I’ll burn one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teen Girl Squad Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 There are definitely situations where it makes sense to burn the TO and save the yards but its significantly less than teams actually use it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 Philly wasted their 1st timeout on 3rd & 11 in the 3Q. They ended up kicking a 33 yard field goal. All I’m saying is 3rd & 16 and 3rd & 11 probably have the same conversion rate and if you’re playing for the FG then a 33 yarder and a 38 yarder have similar success rates as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Or how about get the snap out on time so you don’t have to waste a timeout? That would be the optimal solution, Philly went down to the wire way to much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, Chiefer said: Or how about get the snap out on time so you don’t have to waste a timeout? That would be the optimal solution, Philly went down to the wire way to much. That too, I’ve seen a lot of teams getting to the huddle late, out the huddle late and playing with fire on the play clock far too often. Receivers and Backs spend too much time taunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: That too, I’ve seen a lot of teams getting to the huddle late, out the huddle late and playing with fire on the play clock far too often. Receivers and Backs spend too much time taunting. Like I get they were purposefully running down the clock to keep Mahomes on the sideline, but when you do that a Defense can time the snap count really well. It’s easy to fire off the line into a pass rush/run defense when there’s one second on the clock as opposed to say 5 or 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Football is never this simple. There's a myriad of factors to consider like down-and-distance, score, field position, half, etc. that go into the decision making process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 11 hours ago, KingOfNewYork said: That too, I’ve seen a lot of teams getting to the huddle late, out the huddle late and playing with fire on the play clock far too often. Receivers and Backs spend too much time taunting. This is why I've come to be less angry about that timeless coach speak praise of QBs that "they know how to operate a huddle". Yeah, that seems simple and a dumb aspect to praise, but it is very important. It's still coach speak, but I'm not rolling my eyes about it anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, minutemancl said: This is why I've come to be less angry about that timeless coach speak praise of QBs that "they know how to operate a huddle". Yeah, that seems simple and a dumb aspect to praise, but it is very important. It's still coach speak, but I'm not rolling my eyes about it anymore. With Alex Smith the Chiefs were routinely getting plays out within 5 seconds, sometimes down to 1 second left before the snap. With Mahomes it’s closer to 10, and all of a sudden Reid’s clock management issues have nearly evaporated 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chiefer said: With Alex Smith the Chiefs were routinely getting plays out within 5 seconds, sometimes down to 1 second left before the snap. With Mahomes it’s closer to 10, and all of a sudden Reid’s clock management issues have nearly evaporated It's super important! You sometimes forget or overlook all the little things QBs have to do just to function as a QB at the most basic level. Every QB you see not wearing an armband has to have very quick and detailed short term memory recall. I had to ask the officiant to repeat what I had to say at my own wedding, and I promise you that line was shorter than just about every play call outside of a victory formation kneel down. They've got to be able to hear well too. Those stadiums get loud, and asking for a play repeated even once over a headset could be the difference between a delay of game penalty or a big play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 I have been saying this for 20 plus years. It’s not worth it in most cases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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