51to54 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 5 hours ago, IronMike84 said: That’s not the case. Both sides have admitted fault there. In that meeting, McDaniels reportedly began by bragging about his achievements and qualifications, and then totally went off on Cutler in a way that’s unacceptable in any workplace. Just because you feel you were sold a false bill of goods with Cutler doesn’t justify McDaniels acting like a jag. Cutler wasn’t the only one, either. Apparently he went ballistic on his assistant coaches in the locker room after a loss at Oakland. Anyway, since his Denver days, McDaniels has changed drastically. At that time, he was young and arrogant, tried to control people through intimidation, and lived a lifestyle that physically wore him down. Since then, he has kept a journal of every mistake he made in Denver, changed the way he interacts with people, takes much better care of himself physically, and puts a lot more time into family and religion. None of that means he will or will not be a successful head coach when he gets his second chance, but I think it’s hard to hold what happened in Denver against him given how cognizant he has been of his mistakes and how much he has changed. Yeah, I thumped on McDaniels for a variety of errors when it was going down as he seemed to reek arrogance. However, just because he was arrogant doesn't mean he was crazy. You don't go off on Manning or Rodgers and you don't dangle Manning or Rodgers for trade bait either. He did both to Cutler which tells me he probably did not think that alienating Cutler was a problem going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, 51to54 said: Yeah, I thumped on McDaniels for a variety of errors when it was going down as he seemed to reek arrogance. However, just because he was arrogant doesn't mean he was crazy. You don't go off on Manning or Rodgers and you don't dangle Manning or Rodgers for trade bait either. He did both to Cutler which tells me he probably did not think that alienating Cutler was a problem going forward. He may have been right about Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 7 hours ago, WindyCity said: Matt Lafleur interests me a ton. He has literally been studying under Shannahan and now McVay for almost his entire career. I like LaFleur as well but like you went on to say guys like him and Nagy would need some experience around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Madmike90 said: I like LaFleur as well but like you went on to say guys like him and Nagy would need some experience around them. I was thinking about some of the experienced guys. OC, Musgrave, was really good with Carr in Oakland Wade Wilson, QB coach for Romo and Prescott and played QB for 20 years Norv Turner DC Chuck Pagano, players seem to rally around him and was a good DC in Baltimore Todd Bowles, but he looks like he is going to save his job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, WindyCity said: Todd Bowles, but he looks like he is going to save his job It is still early. McCown has a few good stretches but always tumbles back to a reality. Even now I would be REALLY surprised to see them finish 7-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Just give me someone respected by the team that do a competent game plan, makes good in-game decisions and can assemble a good staff. The name is really unimportant, just so long as it isn’t John Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 23 hours ago, WindyCity said: I was thinking about some of the experienced guys. OC, Musgrave, was really good with Carr in Oakland Wade Wilson, QB coach for Romo and Prescott and played QB for 20 years Norv Turner DC Chuck Pagano, players seem to rally around him and was a good DC in Baltimore Todd Bowles, but he looks like he is going to save his job For LaFleur Jim Haslett would make a ton of sense...both served on Washington's staff for 3 years...Haslett was also HC in New Orleans when Pace was in the front office so there could be a comfort level there too...LaFleur has worked on staffs with some excellent coaches... Mike Shanahan - Former 3x HC Wade Phillips - Former 3x HC Gary Kubiak - Former 2x HC Alex Gibbs - ZBS guru Dan Quinn - ATL HC Sean McVay - LAR HC Kyle Shanahan - SF HC Mike McDaniels - Up and Coming Coach Greg Olsen - former 3x OC Terry Robiskie - TEN OC Chris Morgan - ATL OL Coach Frank Pollack - DAL OL Coach John Benton - SF OL Coach Richard Smith - LAC LB Coach - 3x DC Frank Bush - MIA Assistant HC/LB Coach Marquand Manuel - ATL DC Bill Kolar - DEN DL Coach - former Assistant HC Raheem Morris - Former HC/Assistant HC/DC Jon Hoke - former CHI DB Coach Robert Saleh - SF DC That is a lot of experience and wins to call and get favors from when building a staff. Fun Fact - LaFleur was an OC at Ashland university where we drafted Adam Shaheen from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Jim Trotter-Harbaughs dream job in all of football is the Bears. John Harbaugh-Jim really likes Trubisky. Was high on him in the draft. I would be totally cool with Harbaugh. But it would mean Pace is gone. That is not a deal breaker for me. I like Pace, but he has made enough mistakes that he is not bullet proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 9 hours ago, WindyCity said: Jim Trotter-Harbaughs dream job in all of football is the Bears. John Harbaugh-Jim really likes Trubisky. Was high on him in the draft. I would be totally cool with Harbaugh. But it would mean Pace is gone. That is not a deal breaker for me. I like Pace, but he has made enough mistakes that he is not bullet proof. Harbaugh doesn’t necessarily mean Pace is gone but it would mean a role change for sure. That’s a call that would have to come from McCaskey though because Pace is not going to effectively fire himself. I haven’t seen anything from anyone suggesting that McCaskey is ready to push Pace out the door. They know what a mess this was when he got here. I can’t imagine a situation where Pace isn’t given some time to see if his chosen franchise QB is actually a franchise QB outside of some sort of unforeseen disaster in the next 12 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 One big worry for me about our next HC is who will be his DC? I presume Pace will bring in a HC to pair with Trubisky but man there are very few candidates out there that I really like...I think the chances of Bowles being let go in NY are fading quickly...Chuck Pagano could be another option but again he would need to be let go in Indy and then it is a dog fight for him...I think we stick with a 3-4 D so the assistants I like are... John Butler - Houston DBs coach Nick Rapone - Arizona DBs coach Gary Gibbs - KC LBs coach One very interesting option would be Mike Pettine - clearly being an HC was too big for him but if you look at his defences... 2009 - NYJ - 1st Overall 2010 - NYJ - 3rd Overall 2011 - NYJ - 5th Overall 2012 - NYJ - 8th Overall (slipped to 11th in 2013) 2013 - BUF - 10th Overall (improved from 22nd in 2012) Possible a Wade Phillips situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 27 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: One big worry for me about our next HC is who will be his DC? I presume Pace will bring in a HC to pair with Trubisky but man there are very few candidates out there that I really like...I think the chances of Bowles being let go in NY are fading quickly...Chuck Pagano could be another option but again he would need to be let go in Indy and then it is a dog fight for him...I think we stick with a 3-4 D so the assistants I like are... John Butler - Houston DBs coach Nick Rapone - Arizona DBs coach Gary Gibbs - KC LBs coach One very interesting option would be Mike Pettine - clearly being an HC was too big for him but if you look at his defences... 2009 - NYJ - 1st Overall 2010 - NYJ - 3rd Overall 2011 - NYJ - 5th Overall 2012 - NYJ - 8th Overall (slipped to 11th in 2013) 2013 - BUF - 10th Overall (improved from 22nd in 2012) Possible a Wade Phillips situation. I'm still high on the Rapone train, but Pettine is a good call. Not a fan of him being away from the game for this long but after his tenure he sure as hell isn't forgetting defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Sugashane said: I'm still high on the Rapone train, but Pettine is a good call. Not a fan of him being away from the game for this long but after his tenure he sure as hell isn't forgetting defense. That was a financial decision. If he didn't take a job he would continue to cash out all his Browns money that he was owed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 With how the defense is playing I would try and keep Fangio with a young offensive HC. Give him a raise and autonomy. If the reports that Fangio and Fox don't like each other are true it might be the best way to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 49 minutes ago, WindyCity said: With how the defense is playing I would try and keep Fangio with a young offensive HC. Give him a raise and autonomy. If the reports that Fangio and Fox don't like each other are true it might be the best way to keep him. I wouldn't have a major issue with keeping Fangio but I think we have to get a little more aggressive...sitting back playing bend don't break is worthless when you don't have an offence that can score a ton of points...we need to create more turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, WindyCity said: That was a financial decision. If he didn't take a job he would continue to cash out all his Browns money that he was owed? Oh he would have to sacrifice the guaranteed pay from his HC gig? I've never heard that before. Why would he even have interviewed for the DC job with Washington then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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