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8 hours ago, holt_bruce81 said:

Is he starting the game or is there going to be an "Opener"

The way he's been pitching, he'll be the opener either way.

He's getting rocked and averaging like 3 IP per start...

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Jack Flaherty extended his scoreless streak to a career-high 23 innings with seven shutout frames Tuesday in the Cardinals’ 2-0 win over the Royals.

Flaherty’s seven scoreless frames in his previous two outings came against the Cubs and Dodgers. This one came against the Royals, but it counts all the same. The right-hander permitted just three hits, one walk and one hit by pitch on the night, whiffing seven batters along the way. The 23-inning scoreless streak is tied for the second-longest in baseball this season and is the longest by a Cardinals starter since 2014. Flaherty also boasts a 0.79 ERA over his last seven starts.

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25 minutes ago, kgarrett12486 said:

Jack Flaherty extended his scoreless streak to a career-high 23 innings with seven shutout frames Tuesday in the Cardinals’ 2-0 win over the Royals.

Flaherty’s seven scoreless frames in his previous two outings came against the Cubs and Dodgers. This one came against the Royals, but it counts all the same. The right-hander permitted just three hits, one walk and one hit by pitch on the night, whiffing seven batters along the way. The 23-inning scoreless streak is tied for the second-longest in baseball this season and is the longest by a Cardinals starter since 2014. Flaherty also boasts a 0.79 ERA over his last seven starts.

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Even though we are right back in the WC spot, and deep in the hunt, I still find myself looking forward to what next years team will look like. And while I have an outlined offseason plan that I will share later, I keep getting stuck on WHY did we extend Matt Carpenters contract?

Before the deal we were only committed to $16.75m more to Carp ($14.75 for '19 and $2m buy out for '20) With an option for another $16.5m for '20 if we wanted him for his year 34 season. But now we guaranteed that option, tacked on another year at the same price ($18.5m) for '21, committing ourselves to him through his year 35 season, and gave him a chance to vest into another $18.5m for '22. Which isnt an unlikely scenario, because if we are a competitive team, and he stays healthy, and hits leadoff in 2020 he could rack up nearly 700 PA. Then he would only need 400+ PA in 2021, which would give us a 37 Year Old Carp trying to play somewhere other than 1B with a near $20m price tag...

Which brings me to my point; Do you think our Front Office knows, or at the very least is speculating/hedging that the NL will implement the DH very soon (as in before the 2021 season)? Since it was already on the table for this year, and they were able to push through the Singular Trade Deadline so quick, anyone think that Mo & Co think we may see that DH as soon as next year? (I still think thats why we hung onto Jose too)

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24 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said:

Even though we are right back in the WC spot, and deep in the hunt, I still find myself looking forward to what next years team will look like. And while I have an outlined offseason plan that I will share later, I keep getting stuck on WHY did we extend Matt Carpenters contract?

Before the deal we were only committed to $16.75m more to Carp ($14.75 for '19 and $2m buy out for '20) With an option for another $16.5m for '20 if we wanted him for his year 34 season. But now we guaranteed that option, tacked on another year at the same price ($18.5m) for '21, committing ourselves to him through his year 35 season, and gave him a chance to vest into another $18.5m for '22. Which isnt an unlikely scenario, because if we are a competitive team, and he stays healthy, and hits leadoff in 2020 he could rack up nearly 700 PA. Then he would only need 400+ PA in 2021, which would give us a 37 Year Old Carp trying to play somewhere other than 1B with a near $20m price tag...

Which brings me to my point; Do you think our Front Office knows, or at the very least is speculating/hedging that the NL will implement the DH very soon (as in before the 2021 season)? Since it was already on the table for this year, and they were able to push through the Singular Trade Deadline so quick, anyone think that Mo & Co think we may see that DH as soon as next year? (I still think thats why we hung onto Jose too)

I think you may be right about that thought. Didn't Mo say he expected it to happen fairly soon during last offseason? Carp's only chance at reviving his career, IMO, is at DH. His shoulders are shot and throwing probably only makes that worse.

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3 hours ago, StLunatic88 said:

Even though we are right back in the WC spot, and deep in the hunt, I still find myself looking forward to what next years team will look like. And while I have an outlined offseason plan that I will share later, I keep getting stuck on WHY did we extend Matt Carpenters contract?

Before the deal we were only committed to $16.75m more to Carp ($14.75 for '19 and $2m buy out for '20) With an option for another $16.5m for '20 if we wanted him for his year 34 season. But now we guaranteed that option, tacked on another year at the same price ($18.5m) for '21, committing ourselves to him through his year 35 season, and gave him a chance to vest into another $18.5m for '22. Which isnt an unlikely scenario, because if we are a competitive team, and he stays healthy, and hits leadoff in 2020 he could rack up nearly 700 PA. Then he would only need 400+ PA in 2021, which would give us a 37 Year Old Carp trying to play somewhere other than 1B with a near $20m price tag...

Which brings me to my point; Do you think our Front Office knows, or at the very least is speculating/hedging that the NL will implement the DH very soon (as in before the 2021 season)? Since it was already on the table for this year, and they were able to push through the Singular Trade Deadline so quick, anyone think that Mo & Co think we may see that DH as soon as next year? (I still think thats why we hung onto Jose too)

Absolutely. I can't remember where I heard it (I think it was on Danny Mac's podcast), but Mo was on and they specifically asked him about the DH...

He said he anticipated it would be unified in baseball 'sooner than later'...

He thought there would be minimal resistance to it next time it came up for vote vs. 5-10 years ago, as players like that it creates more opportunity and teams being more analytically driven now are starting to see the differential...

Said that it might not happen as soon as anticipated though, as a labor stoppage could interrupt it's focus...

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1 hour ago, kgarrett12486 said:

Dylan Carlson was promoted to AAA today...

Well deserved.  Probably getting him a taste of AAA before the start of next season.

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11 hours ago, kgarrett12486 said:

Well that was embarrassing...

2 hits and 15 K's. Ouch...

And what a waste of a decent outing by Wacha (phenomenal by his standards these days)

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3 hours ago, MOSteelers56 said:

I wonder what we're going to do with the glut of OF players we have in the offseason?

Between St. Louis and Memphis, you've got Dexter Fowler, Randy Arozarena, Harrison Bader, Tyler O'Neill, and Dylan Carlson who are locked in whether it be because of contract, draft pick status, etc.  We probably the start the year with an OF with Harrison Bader, Tyler O'Neill, and Dexter Fowler as our starting OFs.  In Memphis, you've got Dylan Carlson and Justin Williams who are going probably going to get the majority of the nods in the OF.  Arozarena probably could be in either.

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2 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

Between St. Louis and Memphis, you've got Dexter Fowler, Randy Arozarena, Harrison Bader, Tyler O'Neill, and Dylan Carlson who are locked in whether it be because of contract, draft pick status, etc.  We probably the start the year with an OF with Harrison Bader, Tyler O'Neill, and Dexter Fowler as our starting OFs.  In Memphis, you've got Dylan Carlson and Justin Williams who are going probably going to get the majority of the nods in the OF.  Arozarena probably could be in either.

You think they trade Jose in the off-season or are you hoping one of these young guys step up and Jose goes back to the bench?

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