Kip Smithers Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, celestial said: So in other words, Engram thinks the offense felt about the same between a HOF'er and Geno Smith? Except Geno Smith runs more, which means he has an X factor Eli does not. In that sense then, McAdoo is right that Geno gives us the best chance to win. Lool. Alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Do you realise how bad the Oakland defense is? Seriously? And we score 17 points. Yes Geno Mobility offers an option that Eli just doesn’t have, yet that amounted to what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattbags2313 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 10 hours ago, Kip Smithers said: Do you realise how bad the Oakland defense is? Seriously? And we score 17 points. Yes Geno Mobility offers an option that Eli just doesn’t have, yet that amounted to what? Thank you vince young is really mobile, maybe we should give him a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMENNATION Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 @celestial What exactly are you arguing? That Eli is bad? That Geno should be our starting QB? That McAdoo doesn't deserve to be fired? In another thread you argued that QB Rating, TD/INT ratio and completion % don't matter, yards per attempt does. Then to justify Geno Smith's performance (which you claim was MUCH better than his Jets days) you use completion % and QB Rating. His completion % was 0.4% better than his career average. His RAT was 11.6% better thanks to no picks (a positive on his day) and his yards per attempt which you love so much was 5.89 YPA, which is almost a yard per attempt shorter than his career average. Eli's YPA by comparison, is 6.10 YPA on the year. 1 game is not enough to judge Geno either way, but since it's enough for you to make crazy claims that they wouldn't have scored 17 points with Eli, Eli would've been sacked on every play that Geno threw the ball away, and Geno looked SO much better than his Jet's days, here are the stats. Geno Smith: 58.3% completion %, 5.89 YPA, 1 TD per game, 2 TO per game, 84.5 RAT, 39.2 QBR Eli Manning: 62.5% completion %, 6.10 YPA, 1.27 TD per game, 1.27 TO per game, 84.1 RAT, 42.1 QBR If you're making an argument that Geno Smith is better for this team than Eli Manning, that's your opinion and that's fine but stick to one argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattbags2313 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 WFAN confirmed Eli Apple was a healthy scratch. Nice our first round pick. @celestial you blamed eli manning for apple's struggles. Which is hilarious in itself that a QB is being blamed for a CB being terrible but anyway. Why was he not even active the same week eli was benched? Clearly our awesome front office and coaches think other wise. A guy we signed on tuesday (dixon) was active and started over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celestial Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 9:55 AM, GMENNATION said: @celestial What exactly are you arguing? That Eli is bad? That Geno should be our starting QB? That McAdoo doesn't deserve to be fired? In another thread you argued that QB Rating, TD/INT ratio and completion % don't matter, yards per attempt does. Then to justify Geno Smith's performance (which you claim was MUCH better than his Jets days) you use completion % and QB Rating. His completion % was 0.4% better than his career average. His RAT was 11.6% better thanks to no picks (a positive on his day) and his yards per attempt which you love so much was 5.89 YPA, which is almost a yard per attempt shorter than his career average. Eli's YPA by comparison, is 6.10 YPA on the year. 1 game is not enough to judge Geno either way, but since it's enough for you to make crazy claims that they wouldn't have scored 17 points with Eli, Eli would've been sacked on every play that Geno threw the ball away, and Geno looked SO much better than his Jet's days, here are the stats. Geno Smith: 58.3% completion %, 5.89 YPA, 1 TD per game, 2 TO per game, 84.5 RAT, 39.2 QBR Eli Manning: 62.5% completion %, 6.10 YPA, 1.27 TD per game, 1.27 TO per game, 84.1 RAT, 42.1 QBR If you're making an argument that Geno Smith is better for this team than Eli Manning, that's your opinion and that's fine but stick to one argument. YPA is better used in aggregate than in games where a backup QB comes in and runs a limited scheme based on lack of reps. The above Geno Smith stat you get from when he didn't play with weapons close to Eli's. It's invalid at face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMENNATION Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 58 minutes ago, celestial said: YPA is better used in aggregate than in games where a backup QB comes in and runs a limited scheme based on lack of reps. The above Geno Smith stat you get from when he didn't play with weapons close to Eli's. It's invalid at face. Okay so Geno Smith is afforded every excuse, any negative stat is null and void. Eli Manning is accountable for every pick, every sack and every fumble he's ever lost and gets no credit for any numbers because he's had better weapons. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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