Ward4HOF Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) Which would you prefer?? (each ? is in a vacuum--no other data available) NT Siaki Ika at 4.120 or NT Keondre Coburn at 7.234 NT Broderic Martin at 4.120 or NT Jerrod Clark at 7.234 DL Karl Brooks at 3.80 or DL Keanu Benton at 2.49 CB JPJ at 1.17 or CB Cam Smith at 1.24 + 3.88 + 4.121 OT Broderick Jones at 1.17 or OT Dawand Jones at 2.32 OT Paris Johnson Jr at 1.14 (- 3.80 but + 4.135 + 6.210) or OT Darnell Wright at 1.17 WR Jordan Addison at 2.32 or WR Jared Wayne at an acquired 6th Rd pick for a 2024 5th (Pickett’s tgt 2021 vs 2022) WR Jonathan Mingo at 1.4.120 or WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton at 7.241 IOL Joe Tippman at 2.49 or IOL John Michael Schmitz at 3.80 Now, some reverse…Which would cause you to punch a hole through your flat-screen… Edge Nolan Smith at 1.17 or Edge Will McDonald IV at 1.17 (If unhappy with Smith-238lb at 6’2”, then surely, a nearly 24YO, just 239lb, at nearly 6’4” is worrisome) RB Bijan Robinson at 1.17 or TE Dalton Kincaid at 1.17 DL Calijah Kancey at 1.17 or WR Jordan Addison at 1.17 Okay…so…Bigger Reach… DL Mazi Smith at 1.17 or WR Josh Downs at 1.17 ILB Jack Campbell at 2.32 or CB Tyrique Stevenson at 2.32 OLB Nick Herbig at 2.49 or CB Clark Phillips III CB Darius Rush at 3.80 or CB Eli Ricks at 3.80 QB DTR at 4.120 or QB Clayton Tune at 4.120 Last Question—Essay (lol) …how come some Steelers’ fans can’t envisage a spot on our Defense for the 6’1” 281lb, Calijah Kancey, yet not have questions regarding a 6’ 1.5” 282lb Adetomiwa Adebawore in our D?? Not that I’ve seen a ton of it, mind you, but I haven’t really seen one fan able to consider Kancey fitting, but some have felt Adebawore would work…is it as simple as Kancey being an IDL, and Adebawore being more of an Edge player??? Personally, I’d welcome either, because bottom line, they are both ‘players’, and I think we’d be able to find a role on our D…just a thought… Edited April 11, 2023 by Ward4HOF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben07MVP Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, Ward4HOF said: Which would you prefer?? (each ? is in a vacuum--no other data available) NT Siaki Ika at 4.120 or NT Keondre Coburn at 7.234 Siaki Ika NT Broderic Martin at 4.120 or NT Jerrod Clark at 7.234 Clark DL Karl Brooks at 3.80 or DL Keanu Benton at 3.80 Benton although I’m guessing you meant to put 49 for him. I think he’s widely considered a 2nd round pick now CB JPJ at 1.17 or CB Cam Smith at 1.24 + 3.88 + 4.121 Smith plus picks pretty easily OT Broderick Jones at 1.17 or OT Dawand Jones at 2.32 Jones OT Paris Johnson Jr at 1.14 (- 3.80 but + 4.135 + 6.210) or OT Darnell Wright at 1.17 Paris WR Jordan Addison at 2.32 or WR Jared Wayne at an acquired 6th Rd pick for a 2024 5th (Pickett’s tgt 2021 vs 2022) Addison WR Jonathan Mingo at 1.4.120 or WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton at 7.241 Mingo IOL Joe Tippman at 2.49 or IOL John Michael Schmitz at 3.80 JMS although I don’t think he makes it there Now, some reverse…Which would cause you to punch a hole through your flat-screen… Edge Nolan Smith at 1.17 or Edge Will McDonald IV at 1.17 (If unhappy with Smith-238lb at 6’2”, then surely, a nearly 24YO, just 239lb, at nearly 6’4” is worrisome) Would rather have Smith, at least he has a higher ceiling and ability to move inside some like Reddick. McDonald would mean Highsmith is 100% gone. RB Bijan Robinson at 1.17 or TE Dalton Kincaid at 1.17 Would rather have Bijan. Kincaid makes more sense for what we need but if Bijan is the best RB in the league and we fetch a 3rd or 4th for Najee I could live with it. Wouldn’t make sense at all but I would be hyped to have a player of Bijans caliber to pair with Kenny and our new and improved o-line. DL Calijah Kancey at 1.17 or WR Jordan Addison at 1.17 Would prefer Addison slightly…I think. This one is tough. Okay…so…Bigger Reach… DL Mazi Smith at 1.17 or WR Josh Downs at 1.17 Oof…Down probably a bigger reach here. I wouldn’t be happy at all with Smith at 17 but I would legitimately be furious with Downs, like it would ruin my mood for a few days kind of thing. ILB Jack Campbell at 2.32 or CB Tyrique Stevenson at 2.32 Stevenson easily the bigger reach, gross OLB Nick Herbig at 2.49 or CB Clark Phillips III Herbig, I would mind Phillips at all at 49 CB Darius Rush at 3.80 or CB Eli Ricks at 3.80 Ricks the bigger reach QB DTR at 4.120 or QB Clayton Tune at 4.120 Gross…I like DTR though so Tune is the bigger reach Last Question—Essay (lol) …how come some Steelers’ fans can’t envisage a spot on our Defense for the 6’1” 281lb, Calijah Kancey, yet not have questions regarding a 6’ 1.5” 282lb Adetomiwa Adebawore in our D?? Not that I’ve seen a ton of it, mind you, but I haven’t really seen one fan able to consider Kancey fitting, but some have felt Adebawore would work…is it as simple as Kancey being an IDL, and Adebawore being more of an Edge player??? Personally, I’d welcome either, because bottom line, they are both ‘players’, and I think we’d be able to find a role on our D…just a thought… I’m pretty sure I’m the only one that has even mentioned Adebawore and I certainly haven’t advocated for him, was more digging for insights on him and wondering why he hadn’t been mentioned before. I strongly prefer Kancey especially at 17. I genuinely dislike you for putting me through that entire 2nd half 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ward4HOF said: Which would you prefer?? (each ? is in a vacuum--no other data available) NT Siaki Ika at 4.120 or NT Keondre Coburn at 7.234 NT Broderic Martin at 4.120 or NT Jerrod Clark at 7.234 DL Karl Brooks at 3.80 or DL Keanu Benton at 3.80 Too high for Brooks CB JPJ at 1.17 or CB Cam Smith at 1.24 + 3.88 + 4.121 OT Broderick Jones at 1.17 or OT Dawand Jones at 2.32 OT Paris Johnson Jr at 1.14 (- 3.80 but + 4.135 + 6.210) or OT Darnell Wright at 1.17 WR Jordan Addison at 2.32 or WR Jared Wayne at an acquired 6th Rd pick for a 2024 5th (Pickett’s tgt 2021 vs 2022) WR Jonathan Mingo at 1.4.120 or WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton at 7.241 Neither but if you force me IOL Joe Tippman at 2.49 or IOL John Michael Schmitz at 3.80 Quote Now, some reverse…Which would cause you to punch a hole through your flat-screen… Edge Nolan Smith at 1.17 or Edge Will McDonald IV at 1.17 (If unhappy with Smith-238lb at 6’2”, then surely, a nearly 24YO, just 239lb, at nearly 6’4” is worrisome) RB Bijan Robinson at 1.17 or TE Dalton Kincaid at 1.17 DL Calijah Kancey at 1.17 or WR Jordan Addison at 1.17 Quote Okay…so…Bigger Reach… DL Mazi Smith at 1.17 or WR Josh Downs at 1.17 ILB Jack Campbell at 2.32 or CB Tyrique Stevenson at 2.32 OLB Nick Herbig at 2.49 or CB Clark Phillips III CB Darius Rush at 3.80 or CB Eli Ricks at 3.80 QB DTR at 4.120 or QB Clayton Tune at 4.120 Edited April 11, 2023 by jebrick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ward4HOF Posted April 11, 2023 Author Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 hour ago, jebrick said: DL Karl Brooks at 3.80 or DL Keanu Benton at 3.80 Too high for Brooks I've actually seen a couple of sites that have him rising into the 3rd Rd, but I guess, as is the case with many prospects this time of year, a name gets thrown around a lot, picking up buzz, and suddenly, the 5th/6th Rd projections vaults up to a 3rd/4th rd projection, haha... Sad thing is, some of it is legit, after Senior Bowl, Combine, Pro Day, and interviews, things start leaking out, but often times, it's just what I mentioned, some idiot somehwere starts attributing a name with a Round, and others pick up on it, and NFL Execs are probably thinking "yeah right, in his dreams." lol... ...and here's where my rambling/droning starts...feel free to skip--save yourself, lol... I will say this, though. I think every team should have a 'Reality Check' Executive (RCE) during the draft, (maybe a die-hard draft nerd who does nothing but scours media, and the interwebs, from September to April) to keep GMs/HCs/other decision making executives, from doing stupid things, like drafting an Artie Burns in the 1st, when 31 other teams most assuredly did not have him sniffing the 1st Rd. For a long time, it was the Seattle Seahwks, in the late 2000 'Aughts' to the 2000 'mid teens', who would draft players that had no business in the 1st Rd. The Raiders, also, come to mind. Lately, in the last decade, it's been NE. Seems every year, they have a Day 1 or Day 2 pick, in which that prospect was a 4th-6th Rd-type, haha... ...Hopefully, Khan and Weidl aren't easily fooled by rumors. I mean, hey, if you want to grab a 7th Rd prospect in the 4th, okay, well, that sucks, but hey, they get the guy they really like and want, and don't want to chance losing him...but in the 1st Rd?? Seriously???--NO! Each teams top 40-45 prospects are likely to be fairly similar, and if said GM is thinking "well, hey, our #47 guy is still on the board, and that's like a mid-2nd Rd pick, so that's not too far off, in value, right?' NO!! Because in reality, they've already 'over-valued' the prospect up from a mid-3rd to #47, well, that's when the RCE should point out, that their #47, is actually closer to #70 on most other teams' boards, and maybe they should just trade out of the pick...there will always be at least one team who wants to move up to your pick...and if it's just one team, they only offer an early 2nd and a 4th, then play hard ball, get a 5th, or a future pick, whatever...but this is when that RCE makes their money and prevents setting the franchise back 2 years, haha...chances are, that guy will still be there, lol. Even if this RCE simply points out, that hey, this GM's track record in Day 1 or Day 2 selections at the CB position has been 'less than stellar', and that 'the standard isn't always, the standard', at CB on this team, so maybe go pick a WR, or an Edge guy...positions they seem to pick well in... Sorry...TL;DR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Karl Brooks pro down numbers did not wow me to get him to the 3rd round. Realize he was ill when trying to do this but VJ 26.5 BJ 8'9 Compared to Hargrave VJ 34.5 BJ 9'1 Brook's 3-cone and short shuttle were slightly better than Gravedigger but that lack of explosiveness will show in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 5 hours ago, Ward4HOF said: Which would you prefer?? (each ? is in a vacuum--no other data available) NT Siaki Ika at 4.120 NT Jerrod Clark at 7.234 DL Karl Brooks at 3.80 CB Cam Smith at 1.24 + 3.88 + 4.121 OT Dawand Jones at 2.32 OT Paris Johnson Jr at 1.14 WR Jared Wayne at an acquired 6th Rd pick for a 2024 5th (Pickett’s tgt 2021 vs 2022) WR Jonathan Mingo at 4.120 IOL John Michael Schmitz at 3.80 Quote Now, some reverse…Which would cause you to punch a hole through your flat-screen… Ill play along, but if it happens, Im coming for YOU. Edge Will McDonald IV at 1.17 RB Bijan Robinson at 1.17 WR Jordan Addison at 1.17 Okay…so…Bigger Reach… DL Mazi Smith at 1.17 ILB Jack Campbell at 2.32 OLB Nick Herbig at 2.49 or CB Clark Phillips III (Draw) CB Eli Ricks at 3.80 QB DTR at 4.120 Quote Last Question—Essay (lol) …how come some Steelers’ fans can’t envisage a spot on our Defense for the 6’1” 281lb, Calijah Kancey, yet not have questions regarding a 6’ 1.5” 282lb Adetomiwa Adebawore in our D?? Not that I’ve seen a ton of it, mind you, but I haven’t really seen one fan able to consider Kancey fitting, but some have felt Adebawore would work…is it as simple as Kancey being an IDL, and Adebawore being more of an Edge player??? Personally, I’d welcome either, because bottom line, they are both ‘players’, and I think we’d be able to find a role on our D…just a thought… Someone else is better suited to answer this, but Id say its more about where they are drafted. I don't think either are a great fit for our defense, but on day 3 as rotational and situational players....sure, why not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 I missed the Essay question but it is easy. Both fit the same role on the Steeler defense and that is OLB. Longer answer. The Steelers have been playing a hybrid front seven for a while. Most of the time you have 2 DTs ( Heyward and the rotation), 2OLBS and 2 ILB. The 7th is generally a safety/LB who plays low. Anyone who wants to tell me how a 6'1 3 tech will work with the 6'5 300 lb 2 gap DTs is welcome to give it a try. For the Steelers, both fit on the outside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 19 hours ago, Ward4HOF said: Which would you prefer?? (each ? is in a vacuum--no other data available) NT Siaki Ika at 4.120 or NT Keondre Coburn at 7.234 NT Broderic Martin at 4.120 or NT Jerrod Clark at 7.234 DL Karl Brooks at 3.80 or DL Keanu Benton at 2.49 CB JPJ at 1.17 or CB Cam Smith at 1.24 + 3.88 + 4.121 OT Broderick Jones at 1.17 or OT Dawand Jones at 2.32 OT Paris Johnson Jr at 1.14 (- 3.80 but + 4.135 + 6.210) or OT Darnell Wright at 1.17 WR Jordan Addison at 2.32 or WR Jared Wayne at an acquired 6th Rd pick for a 2024 5th (Pickett’s tgt 2021 vs 2022) WR Jonathan Mingo at 1.4.120 or WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton at 7.241 IOL Joe Tippman at 2.49 or IOL John Michael Schmitz at 3.80 Now, some reverse…Which would cause you to punch a hole through your flat-screen… Edge Nolan Smith at 1.17 or Edge Will McDonald IV at 1.17 (If unhappy with Smith-238lb at 6’2”, then surely, a nearly 24YO, just 239lb, at nearly 6’4” is worrisome) RB Bijan Robinson at 1.17 or TE Dalton Kincaid at 1.17 DL Calijah Kancey at 1.17 or WR Jordan Addison at 1.17 Okay…so…Bigger Reach… DL Mazi Smith at 1.17 or WR Josh Downs at 1.17 ILB Jack Campbell at 2.32 or CB Tyrique Stevenson at 2.32 OLB Nick Herbig at 2.49 or CB Clark Phillips III CB Darius Rush at 3.80 or CB Eli Ricks at 3.80 QB DTR at 4.120 or QB Clayton Tune at 4.120 Last Question—Essay (lol) …how come some Steelers’ fans can’t envisage a spot on our Defense for the 6’1” 281lb, Calijah Kancey, yet not have questions regarding a 6’ 1.5” 282lb Adetomiwa Adebawore in our D?? Not that I’ve seen a ton of it, mind you, but I haven’t really seen one fan able to consider Kancey fitting, but some have felt Adebawore would work…is it as simple as Kancey being an IDL, and Adebawore being more of an Edge player??? Personally, I’d welcome either, because bottom line, they are both ‘players’, and I think we’d be able to find a role on our D…just a thought… In order: Coburn Clark Brooks JPJ BJones Johnson Jr Addison Mingo JMS Hole in TV Smith Robinson Kancey Reach Smith Stevenson Herbig Ricks DTR ESSAY- I can answer this quickly and shortly: Bend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ward4HOF Posted April 12, 2023 Author Share Posted April 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, warfelg said: I can answer this quickly and shortly: Bend. Ah...as in Kancey doesn't have it...gotcha. Good answer...thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ward4HOF Posted April 12, 2023 Author Share Posted April 12, 2023 14 hours ago, 43M said: Ill play along, but if it happens, Im coming for YOU. Haha...you can meet me at Best Buy, where I'll also be buying a new TV, lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 5 hours ago, Ward4HOF said: Haha...you can meet me at Best Buy, where I'll also be buying a new TV, lol... No need. Youll be finding out where I buried Paul Ernster all those years ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 6 hours ago, warfelg said: Hole in TV as long as it doesn't progress to AB levels and gets thrown off the balcony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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