StatKing Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 I don't know about you guys but I'm torn on whether we should extend him at top dollar or not. I like him a lot, he's definitely flashed elite potential, I just don't know if he's worth 25+ million a year. What do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoremore Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) He's a core player provided he regains his form. Which I don't think will happen until late in the season this year or next. He's going to most likely have a down year. So maybe we'll get a little more affordable contract done. I wouldn't extend him for that kind of cash not right now. As of right now 15 mil/yr seems about right. It's a risk. He's not in the conversation as one of the elite rushers in the league. Edited April 14, 2023 by Scoremore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 HE hasn't earned close to 25 million a year. He definitely has earned a new very bid deal. If Jeffrey Simmons didn't get 20 a year, then Gary shouldn't. I'm aware they play different positions. My cap for Gary right now is 20 a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 Slight reservations in signing Gary long term. I do however want to do it at the end of this year or the next off-season. I want to see how he's recovered from the injury. But the kid has worked really hard and made himself into a good to very good all around player. No reason to think he'll stop working once he gets paid. He needs to be a core piece to build around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) There are 3 studs that each got ~$20mil/yr in practical guaranteed. Then a couple around $15/yr. Gary, with inflation, will be very near that $20mil/yr in practical guarantees. 4 - $115mil ($75mil practically guaranteed) 5 - $135mil ($90mil practically guaranteed) Those are gonna be the range Edited April 14, 2023 by incognito_man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 44 minutes ago, Old Guy said: HE hasn't earned close to 25 million a year. He definitely has earned a new very bid deal. If Jeffrey Simmons didn't get 20 a year, then Gary shouldn't. I'm aware they play different positions. My cap for Gary right now is 20 a year. Simmons got 23.5? Gary is going to get 25 or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 You kind of gotta right? Unless we draft one early but even then you could always use more pass rush. If you're gonna risk a bigger contract I would think EDGE is one you can risk it on. But yeah the injury and how he is off it is gonna tell a ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 Doesn't make sense to sign him until he returns to the field successfully. No need for another Bakh situation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBobGray Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 In what world would you not pay Gary whatever you need to keep him? Dude lives and breathes football, is still only 25, is an absolute freak athlete playing one of the game's most important roles, had only missed one game due to injury in his first three years before the knee, and in his last full season in 2021 he was tied for 4th in the NFL in pressures. What would possibly keep you from backing the money truck up here? He hasn't put up a monster sack year but dude generates pressure at All-Pro levels, and that's more than enough for me to give him the bag. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, MrBobGray said: In what world would you not pay Gary whatever you need to keep him? Dude lives and breathes football, is still only 25, is an absolute freak athlete playing one of the game's most important roles, had only missed one game due to injury in his first three years before the knee, and in his last full season in 2021 he was tied for 4th in the NFL in pressures. What would possibly keep you from backing the money truck up here? He hasn't put up a monster sack year but dude generates pressure at All-Pro levels, and that's more than enough for me to give him the bag. This. The interesting question is where he'll land relative to guys like Bosa, Garrett and Watt. I think inflation and the injury more or less cancel each other out. I don't think he's going to set the market on a guaranteed/yr metric, but he's going to, at minimum, bridge that gap between tier 2 guys and those top 3-4 guys. I think the $16-$18mil/yr in practical guarantees is the sweet spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: Doesn't make sense to sign him until he returns to the field successfully. No need for another Bakh situation It does make sense of you are tracking his recovery closely and have confidence in his rehab relative to Bakh's. I never got the impression that Bakh's rehab was going ahead of schedule (like Gary's reportedly is). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: Doesn't make sense to sign him until he returns to the field successfully. No need for another Bakh situation Well, Bak got hurt after signing his new deal. Not really the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 Just now, incognito_man said: It does make sense of you are tracking his recovery closely and have confidence in his rehab relative to Bakh's. I never got the impression that Bakh's rehab was going ahead of schedule (like Gary's reportedly is). I just don't see this happening before week 4 or so. Which I think is reasonable from the Packers' perspective. If he comes back strong and healthy would make sense to offer him a market deal as a starting No. 1 pass rusher, which is quite an expensive deal. Till then, all they can do is lowball him and insult him, or tell him to wait till he's back and healthy. And I don't think they want to insult him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, incognito_man said: This. The interesting question is where he'll land relative to guys like Bosa, Garrett and Watt. I think inflation and the injury more or less cancel each other out. I don't think he's going to set the market on a guaranteed/yr metric, but he's going to, at minimum, bridge that gap between tier 2 guys and those top 3-4 guys. I think the $16-$18mil/yr in practical guarantees is the sweet spot. Typically, we'd rather reset the market for AAV while not guaranteeing more than the SB and maybe year 1 and 2 base. Jaire and Bakh we're similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Packerraymond said: Simmons got 23.5? Gary is going to get 25 or more. I thought his deal was 5 for 94? Was it 4-94? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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