WindyCity Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 I would be flat out stunned if Landry is the pick even with a trade down. He doesn’t really meet the height or length requirements that the Bears seem to have at the positon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epyon Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) His size was covered in the Voch Lombardi vid. Player A: 6ft 3inch Height, 32 1/2 arm length, 246lbs, 9 1/4 inch hands Player B: 6ft 3in height, 32 7/8 arm length, 252lbs, 9 3/8in hands Player C: 6ft 3inch Height, 33 3/4inch arm, 251lbs, 11inch hands Player D: 6ft 3inch Height, 32 1/2 arms, 246lbs, 9 3/8in hands That's Von Miller, Harold Landry, Demarcus Lawrence, and Vic Beasley.... He's big enough. Edited March 25, 2018 by Epyon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Epyon said: His size was covered in the Voch Lombardi vid. Player A: 6ft 3inch Height, 32 1/2 arm length, 246lbs, 9 1/4 inch hands Player B: 6ft 3in height, 32 7/8 arm length, 252lbs, 9 3/8in hands Player C: 6ft 3inch Height, 33 3/4inch arm, 251lbs, 11inch hands Player D: 6ft 3inch Height, 32 1/2 arms, 246lbs, 9 3/8in hands That's Von Miller, Harold Landry, Demarcus Lawrence, and Vic Beasley. By comparison to Leonard Floyd’s combine, Landry's arms are 1/4” shorter (negligible), he weighs 8 lb more in spite of being 2 5/8” shorter, and his 40 was 0.04 seconds slower. The height aside (and Landry isn’t short for the position) they measure out really closely, with Landry already having more bulk to his frame (one of the biggest knocks on Floyd coming out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike84 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 This forum in 2015: obsessed with Vic Beasley, not at all concerned that he was playing at like 220. This forum in 2016: Man Leonard Floyd really needs to put on weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsooie5 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 8 hours ago, IronMike84 said: This forum in 2015: obsessed with Vic Beasley, not at all concerned that he was playing at like 220. This forum in 2016: Man Leonard Floyd really needs to put on weight. This is so true. I like Landry’s potential as a pass rusher but there’s some qualities in his game that scare the living - out of me. Lack of physicality in a pass rusher is one of the worst deficiencies to have. He disappears from games, and how he handled his injury woes is also a major concern. I’m extremely confident though that if it comes down to an EDGE at 8, Pace would take Davenport over Landry 100 out of 100 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, pigsooie5 said: Lack of physicality in a pass rusher is one of the worst deficiencies to have. He disappears from games, and how he handled his injury woes is also a major concern. Could you expand on the lack of physicality thing? I haven’t seen that specifically, and think there’s a difference between lack of physicality and trying to murder the QB on contact. Also what do you mean by “how he handled his injury woes”? I like Davenport quite a bit too and wouldn’t be upset if he’s the pick either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB 1 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 28 minutes ago, AZBearsFan said: Could you expand on the lack of physicality thing? I haven’t seen that specifically, and think there’s a difference between lack of physicality and trying to murder the QB on contact. Also what do you mean by “how he handled his injury woes”? I like Davenport quite a bit too and wouldn’t be upset if he’s the pick either. The problem is with Landry he looks very similar to Floyd as a pass rusher. Would think the Bears need some one bigger to play on the opposite side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB 1 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 56 minutes ago, pigsooie5 said: This is so true. I like Landry’s potential as a pass rusher but there’s some qualities in his game that scare the living - out of me. Lack of physicality in a pass rusher is one of the worst deficiencies to have. He disappears from games, and how he handled his injury woes is also a major concern. I’m extremely confident though that if it comes down to an EDGE at 8, Pace would take Davenport over Landry 100 out of 100 times. I agree with this as a pass rusher can beat college OT's with just speed but in the NFL they have to beat them with both speed and power. NFL OT's have really quick feet. This is why Shea failed as a pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 If we bash him for playing through injury then we should bash Kyle Long too. I personally like that Landry put his team first even though it hurt his own stock. IDK how anyone says he isn't physical as a passrusher either. He has solid hands and rips OTs, just because he chooses to use speed rushes frequently is because he clearly has the athletic advantage, just as Beasley did. In 2016 he showed he can use strong hands and get the OT off balance. Davenport played inferior OTs and still produced less over the last two years. I get that he is the taller prospect and is on the upswing, but people are discounting Landry too quickly IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike84 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 12 hours ago, IronMike84 said: This forum in 2015: obsessed with Vic Beasley, not at all concerned that he was playing at like 220. This forum in 2016: Man Leonard Floyd really needs to put on weight. Speaking of draft hypocrisy... 2017: These QBs are morons for coming out as juniors. Few juniors succeed in the league and generally seniors are better prepared. 2018: Sam Darnold should be the #1 pick (zero mentions all draft season that he’s coming out as a sophomore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike84 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) If we look at Combine vertical jump as a potential measure of explosion, in inches: Vic Beasley: 41 Khalil Mack: 40 Leonard Floyd: 39.5 Von Miller: 37 JJ Watt: 37 Chubb : 36 Landry: 36 Chandler Jones: 35 Hubbard: 35 Davenport: 33.5 Cliff Avril: 32.5 Joey Bosa: 32 Key: 31 I think these numbers are very open to interpretation. Beasley had a very high number because he was explosive, but his technique was less refined. He was relying on pure athleticism to win. Bosa was not an explosive force off the edge, but he was also a total technician. This concerns me with Davenport, because his vertical is low, his 3-cone decent, his hips aren’t the best, and his technique needs work. Chubb has a low 3-cone, but his vertical is good, his hips are fluid, and his technique is also pretty good. Landry falls under much of the same as Chubb except I think he relies on his athleticism a little more, and the injury will knock him down a peg. Hubbard and Key aren’t guys that I have watched, so I don’t want to comment on them. Edited March 25, 2018 by IronMike84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 29 minutes ago, IronMike84 said: Speaking of draft hypocrisy... 2017: These QBs are morons for coming out as juniors. Few juniors succeed in the league and generally seniors are better prepared. 2018: Sam Darnold should be the #1 pick (zero mentions all draft season that he’s coming out as a sophomore) I was a much bigger fan of last year's class even last year. We are also seeing a lot of people flipping their positions on QBs though. Most were talking about how superior this class's group looked, but said I would take any of Tru, Watson, or Mahomes or Allen, Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield. I still stand by that. Might look stupid in a few years, but I had Kizer graded out evenly with where I have Allen today. Just not overly impressed with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike84 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, Sugashane said: I was a much bigger fan of last year's class even last year. We are also seeing a lot of people flipping their positions on QBs though. Most were talking about how superior this class's group looked, but said I would take any of Tru, Watson, or Mahomes or Allen, Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield. I still stand by that. Might look stupid in a few years, but I had Kizer graded out evenly with where I have Allen today. Just not overly impressed with him. draftjoshallen.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, IronMike84 said: draftjoshallen.com Josh Allen is a threat to national security. His rocket arm... I don't trust it. TMZ caught in out and about Saturday... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike84 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) Lorenzo Carter: scouting report reads eerily similar to Leonard Floyd. They look very similar playing, though Floyd plays with just a little more "twitch." Sam Hubbard: just watched one game of his. Very hard worker. Looks like he can be a productive pass rusher in this league. ZERO twitch to his game. For that reason, I don't think Pace will gravitate towards him. Edited March 25, 2018 by IronMike84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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