MrOaktown_56 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 5 hours ago, RaidersAreOne said: What's the deal with McCarthy's stats, or lack thereof. They run a lot and a lot of WR drops. If you're just projecting him physically to the NFL, he looks and throws like a top quarterback. His pocket presence, improvisation, and escapability are all there. Those are the things that make a top tier qb. I know he's a polarizing prospect but I see it all with him this year. The jump he's made from last year to this year (at only 20!) is also very promising. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 12 hours ago, Geezy said: how high would you take McCarthy? top 10 12 hours ago, NYRaider said: Nix sucks to me, dude is the definition of product of a system and the check down king I get it. He's going to be polarizing. He's got a good arm, is athletic, moves smoothly in the pocket and can make plays off structure. Oregon's offense is set up to gain a lot of YAC. Tons of high percentage completions, but he does have a nice deep ball. He has skills that translate, but not sure how high his ceiling is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 4 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: They run a lot and a lot of WR drops. If you're just projecting him physically to the NFL, he looks and throws like a top quarterback. His pocket presence, improvisation, and escapability are all there. Those are the things that make a top tier qb. I know he's a polarizing prospect but I see it all with him this year. The jump he's made from last year to this year (at only 20!) is also very promising. Overlooked is how mid Michigans WRs are. Roman Wilson is their best option and he's a day 3 pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Id have to see the pre draft process but id take McCarthy especially if we hired harbaugh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) On 10/2/2023 at 7:29 PM, Devilshark69 said: It would certainly be nice to have a QB we can all get behind that IS “the man”. And I don’t care what his name is if he can play top notch nfl QB.👍👍 Ideally his name should be L’Carpetron Dookmarriot or D’Glester Hardunkichud I feel 😃 I’ll settle for Dan Smith if he can sling it! Edited December 13, 2023 by Darbsk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 On 10/2/2023 at 8:03 PM, MrOaktown_56 said: He's the best qb prospect I've ever seen. Wow, better than Luck? (I genuinely have only seen a couple games so no real in depth knowledge of any of the QB prospects) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 7 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: They run a lot and a lot of WR drops. If you're just projecting him physically to the NFL, he looks and throws like a top quarterback. His pocket presence, improvisation, and escapability are all there. Those are the things that make a top tier qb. I know he's a polarizing prospect but I see it all with him this year. The jump he's made from last year to this year (at only 20!) is also very promising. What do you think his genuine weaknesses are? As someone who is a McCarthy skeptic, I think his best film was last season's game against TCU. My main criticisms of him are that he does not look like he is a quick processor, I do not like his release (long, segmented, low release point), and he does not throw with touch or vary ball speed when he could/should. I would summarize my overall criticisms as he does not look like a natural. I will concede that he is a good athlete for the position, has a good arm, and is accurate in the short and intermediate game. His best throw is the deep/intermediate dig into tight man coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 10 hours ago, Chali21 said: Lamar has a slight frame too. Lots of guys in here would take him. How does Daniel’s stack with him? As a Daniels fan, I think Lamar has a more solid frame than he does. The thing with Daniels is he has no hips, thighs, or butt. He's built like Randy Moss. Unlike some others in here, it doesn't really bother me. I think he will play around 210 throughout his career and be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rich7sena said: As a Daniels fan, I think Lamar has a more solid frame than he does. The thing with Daniels is he has no hips, thighs, or butt. He's built like Randy Moss. Unlike some others in here, it doesn't really bother me. I think he will play around 210 throughout his career and be fine. Lamar is 210-215 and looks 25 lbs heavier than Daniels. How long can he last taking shots like this: I've watched a lot of him the last couple days trying to get a feel. Aside from issues I addressed previously, he has no timing in the pocket. He doesn't play on tempo or process things quickly. He get very skittish in the pocket when he's pressure. He looks to take off almost immediately at the sign of pressure or just flings a rushed pass. He has a lot of "deer in headlights" where he holds on to the ball forever taking sacks. He seems to have no internal clock. Against weaker competition, he could hold onto the ball while things came open and make a splash play. Against better defense, he was lost taking sacks. There are some tools, but to me he's more athlete than QB. He's a 3rd round draft pick who will be over drafted because of stats and position. Edited December 13, 2023 by big_palooka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Lamar is 210-215 and looks 25 lbs heavier than Daniels. How long can he last taking shots like this: I've watched a lot of him the last couple days trying to get a feel. Aside from issues I addressed previously, he has no timing in the pocket. He doesn't play on tempo or process things quickly. He get very skittish in the pocket when he's pressure. He looks to take off almost immediately at the sign of pressure or just flings a rushed pass. He has a lot of "deer in headlights" where he holds on to the ball forever taking sacks. He seems to have no internal clock. Against weaker competition, he could hold onto the ball while things came open and make a splash play. Against better defense, he was lost taking sacks. There are some tools, but to me he's more athlete than QB. He's a 3rd round draft pick who will be over drafted because of stats and position. didn't you hype Jimmy and Josh McDaniels 🫠 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: didn't you hype Jimmy and Josh McDaniels 🫠 No. I wanted nothing to do with Jimmy G. And what's any of that have to do with Daniels who you'll overrated because you by your own admission do not watch college football. You simply look at stats and consensus and parrot that as your opinion. Edited December 13, 2023 by big_palooka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Rich7sena said: What do you think his genuine weaknesses are? As someone who is a McCarthy skeptic, I think his best film was last season's game against TCU. My main criticisms of him are that he does not look like he is a quick processor, I do not like his release (long, segmented, low release point), and he does not throw with touch or vary ball speed when he could/should. I would summarize my overall criticisms as he does not look like a natural. I will concede that he is a good athlete for the position, has a good arm, and is accurate in the short and intermediate game. His best throw is the deep/intermediate dig into tight man coverage. I agree about his mechanics and every now and then he’ll sail a ball. Those are the main critiques rn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: No. I wanted nothing to do with Jimmy G. And what's any of that have to do with Daniels who you'll overrated because you by your own admission do not watch college football. You simply look at stats and consensus and parrot that as your opinion. Bruh you admitted hella times that you don’t watch actually games lol you watch twitter clips lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Depending on where we draft, I'm also fine with us taking Joe Alt/Olu Fashanu and then trading up for a QB. Need a difference-maker with that 1st pick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 I just want a freaking good QB. Period. We farted around in Carr purgatory for a decade, had absolute dog crap before him for another decade, and now are back to the scrap heap. Simply do whatever it takes to land a franchise QB. You swing and swing and swing until you get him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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