MrOaktown_56 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Show me metrics that prove he has improved then @jpaulthe1st Cause they're still not winning games and his numbers are god awful despite adding DJ Moore Numbers aren't gonna show you much with fields. The bears are littered with drops, awful play calls, penalties, drops etc. E.g. Pressured on 70% of his dropbacks. The bears are so dysfunctional, you buy low and bet on the elite flashes he's shown at 24 years old. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 16 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Numbers aren't gonna show you much with fields. The bears are littered with drops, awful play calls, penalties, drops etc. E.g. Pressured on 70% of his dropbacks. The bears are so dysfunctional, you buy low and bet on the elite flashes he's shown at 24 years old. So we're going to use a one game sample size over three seasons, gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101Raider Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Numbers aren't gonna show you much with fields. The bears are littered with drops, awful play calls, penalties, drops etc. E.g. Pressured on 70% of his dropbacks. The bears are so dysfunctional, you buy low and bet on the elite flashes he's shown at 24 years old. I have a hard time getting on board with Fields. I watched a bunch of him early this year. He just processes things so slowly, like molasses slow… A ton of those pressures may just simply be him holding onto the ball. Edited December 19, 2023 by 101Raider 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 39 minutes ago, NYRaider said: So we're going to use a one game sample size over three seasons, gotcha. I'm with you here. Fields is a dud. I don't think he really has the trade value a lot of people thinks he has, either. If we want him, wait for Chicago to cut him or accept a late rounder. Nobody is going to line up for him at this juncture and everyone knows they're taking a QB at 1 while probably keeping Bagelbite at QB2. At some point, Fields becomes a massive bargain, so I'd be fine kicking the tires. But I'm bringing him in as QB3/4 competing for a spot, and what I'd give up is commensurate with that status. I'm not bri ging him in with any notion he might be a starter. He'd have to earn that upon arrival. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Just now, ronjon1990 said: I'm with you here. Fields is a dud. I don't think he really has the trade value a lot of people thinks he has, either. If we want him, wait for Chicago to cut him or accept a late rounder. Nobody is going to line up for him at this juncture and everyone knows they're taking a QB at 1 while probably keeping Bagelbite at QB2. At some point, Fields becomes a massive bargain, so I'd be fine kicking the tires. But I'm bringing him in as QB3/4 competing for a spot, and what I'd give up is commensurate with that status. I'm not bri ging him in with any notion he might be a starter. He'd have to earn that upon arrival. There are two key factors that will drive Fields trade value down. 1. If the Bears draft another QB then they're essentially going to be forced to trade him / if they're shopping him it basically guarantees that they're going QB. Either way teams aren't paying full price when they know that they essentially have to move him. 2. If you trade for him you have to make a decision on his 5th year option so it's either a cheap 1 year commitment where you could be forced to tag him if he has a good season or you could be forced to pay him good money in the 5th year of his deal after he's coming off of another bad year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 I would be very mixed on acquiring Fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angleae Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 7 hours ago, raidr4life said: Also you could keep Jimmy as a back up with fields so cheap for 1 year, then be out of Jimmy's contract without cap penalties when it's time to pay Fields. If we keep him for 1 year and then cut him we'll still owe $12.8 million against the cap due to his signing bonus. Better to cut him now and be done with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: So we're going to use a one game sample size over three seasons, gotcha. That’s not at all what I’m doing. You’re just cherry picking my answer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 hour ago, RaidersAreOne said: I would be very mixed on acquiring Fields. Same. Wouldn’t totally hate it, but definitely not my preference. I am kinda intrigued to see him away from the offense graveyard that is the Chicago Bears, though. They’ve barely put a top 10 offense on the field in their entire history as a franchise, and right now is just another calamitous attempt at it. Maybe, just maybe, with the right coaching and a better supporting cast Fields can be the real deal. But I’d still rather go with a rookie if possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Angleae said: If we keep him for 1 year and then cut him we'll still owe $12.8 million against the cap due to his signing bonus. Better to cut him now and be done with it. Nope if he’s post June 1st cut in 2025 it's a 4M dead cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: That’s not at all what I’m doing. You’re just cherry picking my answer Overall Fields has not been good as a passer even with upgrades around him, I personally just don't think he can process fast enough to be a good NFL passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angleae Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, raidr4life said: Nope if he’s post June 1st cut in 2025 it's a 4M dead cap. And another 8.5M in 2026. The money paid to him has to be accounted for under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Damn bruh we would've been picking 5th if we lost but now we're picking 12th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: Damn bruh we would've been picking 5th if we lost but now we're picking 12th. Lots of time. 👍🏻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Not sure what's going to happen with Jacobs but I'd be interested in Braelon Allen this year either way. He's only 19 years old, was a monster at Wisconsin, and looks like a three down back. 6'2 245 with 4.40 speed At Wisconsin he rushed for 3,494 yards (597 carries / 5.9 YPA) / caught 49 passes for 275 yards (5.6 YPC) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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