2024 NFL Draft Discussion

[R T]

2 hours ago, Kampfgeist said:

.I think if you want Edgerrin Cooper you need to take him at #25 or trade up from #41.   I don't think he'll be there at #41

You might be correct, but the Sportsbooks have his O/U at 54 1/2. Think it is just as likely that he is there at 41 and the Packers say no thanks.  

[Scoremore]

2 hours ago, Brit Pack said:

Listen to the podcast

Tell you Brit he turned me off to both Cooper and Wilson.  Not hitters and can't take on OL.  Play pass fine but total suckage against the run.  He liked Colston as the most well rounded ILB.  I'd take a pass on early on and take a few stabs in the later rounds.  Maybe Gute can unearth a gem.

[HokieHigh]

2 hours ago, vegas492 said:

It's pick #41 for me as well.  I desperately want Cooper, and that is the pick where it makes sense, even though the PFF boards have him ranked lower than that.  And there are just a lot of really good guys that I like in that area of the draft.

I reserve the next second round pick for safety or OL.

Third round is where I look at corners.

But that pick 41 is the toughest for me.

Then the draft really gets out of whack for me when I do not grab an OT with the first pick.  Then it seems like I'm always chasing that position.

Yea i could see the third round guards being viable y1 starters. If its not one of the top 8 tackles you are rolling with walker and tom this yr. Which may be fine. 

 

If you love nubin or bullard 41 is probably the spot to get them. There is a good chance the packers love one of the r3/r4 safeties. 

Agree about a few dt options at 58. 

If dejean falls falls, i feel you have to take them. 

[ReasonablySober]

4 minutes ago, R T said:

You might be correct, but the Sportsbooks have his O/U at 54 1/2. Think it is just as likely that he is there at 41 and the Packers say no thanks.  

Might be instructive to look at last year's consensus LB draft rankings. 

Drew Sanders: #41 consensus / #67 actual
Jack Campbell: #42 / #18
Trenton Simpson: #47 / #86
Daiyan Henley: #71 / #85
Henry To'o'To'o: #87 / #167
Demarvion Overshown: #105 / #90
Dorian Williams: #111 / #91
Noah Sewell: #114 / #148
Marte Mapu: #157 / #76

It's possible some team really loves Cooper. But looking at last year, outside of Jack Campbell, the sweet spot for drafting off-ball linebackers was the third round. 

[The Truth]

6 hours ago, Old Guy said:

Practicing safe sex is important too. 

Eugene Robinson is smiling

[spilltray]

1 hour ago, Old Guy said:

Maybe Tampa Bay comes calling with 57 and 89 and we could get Kris Jenkins and Junior Colson. Both would need to drop a few slots from their projection. 

I'd rather move up than down this year.

[Kampfgeist]

1 hour ago, R T said:

You might be correct, but the Sportsbooks have his O/U at 54 1/2. Think it is just as likely that he is there at 41 and the Packers say no thanks.  

Could all be true.     Scout on Pack-A-Day podcast noted today his people had Edgerrin ranked in the top 5....not his position....of the entire draft.   Now even I think that's crazy, but it shows the wide variance of opinions.    

So absolutely not ruling out a fall past 41 and even GB passing on him twice - but imo if it happens it's because he interviewed really poorly (there are some rumors out there about that) and not his on-field potential.    I hope they wouldn't pass on him but I'd understand if they do - there's going to be some great talent available at #41 at CB, S, OL, DL

[Kampfgeist]

2 hours ago, {Family Ghost} said:

He's one of my favorites in this draft, but I think for the Packers I would rather have Colson.  I think Cooper will make it to #41, but it's going to be close. 

I guess maybe I'm just not a fan of vanilla ice cream.    Junior is going to cover his spot in the middle, and the communication would probably come down between him and X, but I really question his range and he's made virtually -0- splash plays in 3 seasons at Michigan which gives me pause.  More assists every year than solo tackles, 8.5 tackles for loss total over 3 seasons, 2.5 sacks total, 5 passes defensed total, -0- interceptions -0- forced fumbles.    Almost all of those numbers came in 2022 and not 2023.   I think his value probably transcends the pure stats...but he still leaves me..wanting

[Kampfgeist]

Interesting fodder for both sides of a debate about a 1st round linebacker

 

Yin: Drafting a LB in the 1st Round Isn't Working Out Long-Term (msn.com)

Of the 22 linebackers taken in 1st round over last 10 years (2014-2023) only 4 re-signed with their original teams

 

 

Yang: Of the 22 taken very few, maybe 2-4 I would consider complete busts (Stephone Anthony, Darron Lee) and 10 of the 22 garnered All-Pro or Pro-Bowler awards or ROY votes and other guys like Devin Lloyd and Jack Campbell are destined for the PB and Jordyn Brooks has avg 152 tackles over last 3 seasons.  Overall, the first rnd linebackers have been a very productive group

 

The re-sign rate is a strong argument against a 1st rnd linebacker, but the production says it's worth it.   Other teams seem to agree that offering 2nd contracts is worth it, original teams have not.    

[craig]

Gute knows better, but I'd be reluctant to take Cooper before 58.  If somebody else does, great, push other guys back to us.  

[PossibleCabbage]

I wonder if the rarity of "teams resigning first round non-premiums" has to do with the general availability of good prospects at non-premium positions where those teams are drafting.

Like the Packers had no reason to pay the market rate for Runyan because they could easily replace him.  The Ravens didn't resign Patrick Queen because they got Roquan Smith for a ham sandwich from the Bears.

[ReasonablySober]

59 minutes ago, PossibleCabbage said:

I wonder if the rarity of "teams resigning first round non-premiums" has to do with the general availability of good prospects at non-premium positions where those teams are drafting.

Like the Packers had no reason to pay the market rate for Runyan because they could easily replace him.  The Ravens didn't resign Patrick Queen because they got Roquan Smith for a ham sandwich from the Bears.

Or wide receivers. In an ideal world the Packers never need to hand a 2nd contract out.

[HokieHigh]

I expect we will try to resign q

[Isherwood]

2 hours ago, Kampfgeist said:

Could all be true.     Scout on Pack-A-Day podcast noted today his people had Edgerrin ranked in the top 5....not his position....of the entire draft.   Now even I think that's crazy, but it shows the wide variance of opinions.    

I heard that. I don’t buy it. I suspect Mark E’s (old *** Eagles beat guy who was on pack a day) scout sources are either fairly outdated or they’re just the bar bum types that McGinn keeps in the Rolodex. No way does anyone have Edgerrin as a top 5 player.

[Refugee]

26 minutes ago, ReasonablySober said:

Or wide receivers. In an ideal world the Packers never need to hand a 2nd contract out.

You would need a QB with zero ego for that one. AR is not the only guy to get p.o.ed if you constantly trade his favorite weapons away. I remember more than a little grumbling that Favre wanted Moss before and after he was drafted. That would have been one hell of a show. You have to retain some vets and if you have a guy completely in tune with the system and with your QB, there is some premium you need to put on that. The WR market is getting a little crazy, tho. Can’t keep ‘em all.