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Your Team's Success vs Busts in the Last 5 Drafts


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1 hour ago, SpanosPayYourRent said:

Ummmm the only good ones I can think of are Bosa and Henry

You can remember Hunter Henry before Keenan Allen? Melvin Gordon? 

Also, Jason Verrett was a fine pick. Obviously injuries are killing him, but when he's healthy, he's good. 

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On 12/16/2017 at 8:26 AM, thebestever6 said:

How is Patterson considered a success for a first round wr? Is it just because he's not out of the league? If so Gerald Hodge shouldn't be a bust.

Patterson is a great KR. Not necessarily a great receiver, but still made a place for himself in the NFL, so I'd say he has been successful.

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2017 1 Charles Harris - TBD; had some decent moments in his rookie season. 
2017 2 Raekwon McMillan - TBD; hurt in Preseason. This was a huge loss this year. 
2017 3 Cordrea Tankersley - TBD; had some decent moments but he's been burned as well. 
2017 5 Isaac Asiata - TBD; hasn't played yet. Being unable to beat out terrible guards is concerning. 
2017 5 Davon Godchaux - TBD but likely to be a draft steal. He's shined at times. He's started a couple of games. 
2017 6 Vincent Taylor - TBD; solid contributor. 
2017 7 Isaiah Ford - TBD; hasn't played yet
Year Rnd Player
2016 1 Laremy Tunsil - Mixed; Great rookie season, disappointing 2nd season
2016 2 Xavien Howard - Mixed; Had some rough moments. Has emerged in recent weeks.
2016 3 Kenyan Drake - Success; looks like the RB of the future. Playmaker. 
2016 3 Leonte Carroo - Bust so far; Disappointing so far considering they traded up for him.
2016 6 Jakeem Grant - Mixed; Makes big plays then drops easy passes. Small frame. 
2016 6 Jordan Lucas - Mixed; still on team but has been waived 
2016 7 Brandon Doughty - Bust, lost his job as the 3rd string QB
2016 7 Thomas Duarte - Bust. Hasn't done anything. 
Year Rnd Player
2015 1 DeVante Parker - Bust. He was supposed to be a great #1 WR. He drops passes and doesn't give full effort.
2015 2 Jordan Phillips - Mixed. He's either great or a bonehead. 
2015 4 Jamil Douglas - Bust. He was waived and then waived by other teams. 
2015 5 Bobby McCain - Mixed. Decent starting slot CB, but that's about it. 
2015 5 Jay Ajayi - Success, but not on team anymore. He had attitude problems and his knees are a ticking time bomb.
2015 5 Cedric Thompson - Bust. Not on team anymore. 
2015 5 Tony Lippett - Success. Solid playmaking CB. He unfortunately got hurt before this season started. 
Year Rnd Player
2014 1 Ja'Wuan James - Mixed, he's been great and awful. But he will likely be off the team next year. 
2014 2 Jarvis Landry - Huge success. One of the best slot WRs in the league. 
2014 3 Billy Turner - Huge Bust. Just awful. 
2014 4 Walt Aikens - Success. Great special teams player. 
2014 5 Arthur Lynch- Bust. Went to different teams and was always waived. 
2014 5 Jordan Tripp - Bust. Cut his rookie season and was waived by a bunch of teams. 
2014 6 Matt Hazel - Bust. Was with the team for a couple of years and then waived by a bunch of others. 
2014 7 Terrence Fede - Success. Solid Special Teams player and DL rotation player.
Year Rnd Player
2013 1 Dion Jordan- HUGE bust. He got suspended numerous times and showed up out of shape. He didn't seem to care.
2013 2 Jamar Taylor - Bust. He got burned a lot and then Miami traded him for a 7th rounder. 
2013 3 Dallas Thomas - HUGE bust. One of the worst players I have ever watched. 
2013 3 Will Davis - Bust. Traded him away and then he got released by other teams. 
2013 4 Jelani Jenkins - Bust. Didn't have enough good moments to stick with them. Got waived by other teams. 
2013 4 Dion Sims - Success, but not on team anymore. 
2013 5 Mike Gillislee - Bust. He's had success with other team, but here he never did anything. 
2013 5 Caleb Sturgis - Bust. He was fine at first, but then he ended up terrible for Miami. 
2013 7 Don Jones - Bust. Jumped to different teams. 
Year Rnd Player
2012 1 Ryan Tannehill - Success. Franchise QB. 
2012 2 Jonathan Martin - Huge bust and crybaby. 
2012 3 Olivier Vernon - Success, but not on team anymore after the Giants gave him a humongous contract. 
2012 3 Michael Egnew - Huge bust. Awful player. 
2012 4 Lamar Miller - Success, but not on team anymore after the Texans offered more money. 
2012 5 Josh Kaddu - Bust. Not on team anymore. 
2012 6 B.J. Cunningham - Bust. Never panned out. 
2012 7 Kheeston Randall - Bust never panned out. 
2012 7 Rishard Matthews - Success, but  not on team anymore. He was a rising star with them 
     


Miami doesn't draft well. 2013's draft was a huge disaster. Too many of their successful players aren't on the team anymore. 

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On 12/3/2017 at 9:30 PM, Starless said:

 

4/112 WR Malcolm Mitchell
Really came on strong in the second half of his rookie year. Had a big Super Bowl. Out all year this year with a knee injury but I still have high hopes for him.

 

Mitchell will be great in a few years' time.

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Buffalo Bills:

2013:
Round 1: EJ Manuel - Bust
Round 2a: Robert Woods - Solid player for Bills, should be great for Rams
Round 2b: Kiko Alonso Became a living legend based of a few miraculous INTs. Think he is an OK LB now?
Round 3: Marquis Goodwin - Had some long TD's but was always hurt. Looked good in SF before injury.
Round 4: Duke Williams - Garbage.
Round 5: Johnathan Meeks - lasted on special teams for a season or two
Round 6: Dustin Hopkins - never played a down for the Bills due to injury
Round 7: Chris Gragg: Injuries and sucking derailed his career

2014:
Round 1: Sammy Watkins - Bust for Buffalo. Spent two 1st on a guy who couldn't stay healthy and had a me first attitude. Should still have a productive career.
Round 2: Cyrus Kouandjio - Bust.
Round 3: Preston Brown - Has played all but 2 games in his career. Been very productive but he is not a game changer.
Round 4: Ross Cockrell - Don't remember him ever playing for the Bills. Hurt his rookie year I believe
Round 5: Cyril Richardson - Big fat man that never did anything
Round 7: Randall Johnson - I think played special teams for a year, maybe two.
Round 7b: Seantrel Henderson - Has been an OK tackle at time who could start on bad teams. Crohn's disease derailed his career.

2015:
Round 2: Ronald Darby - Had a great rookie year, just an okay 2nd year before being traded to Philly last August.
Round 3: John Miller - Had been a really solid Guard and was their best Ol in 2016. Fell out of favour with current staff
Round 5: Karlos Williams - looked like an absolute steal before legal issues literally ended his career
Round 6: Tony Steward - I don't even remember who this is,
Round 6b: Nick O'Leary - Typical Buffalo player who is a tryhard and sticks around because of it
Round 7: Dez Lewis - Project WR who could never crack the lineup despite it being a weak position on the team

2016:
Round 1: Shaq Lawson - early returns suggest a bust.
Round 2: Reggie Ragland - Was a Rex guy who tore his ACL in his rookie year. Traded last August to KC 
Round 3: Adolphus Washington - Solid player who is at his best as a rotational guy.
Round 4: Cardale Jones - played in one game for Buffalo. Traded to LAC last summer.
Round 5: Jonathan Williams - The greatest RB to ever play the game and I can't believe Buffalo cut him. Where is he now?
Round 6: Kolby Listenbee - Speedy WR who never played a down due to injuries. Now suing his former college.
Round 6b: Kevon Seymour. Was OK his rookie year. Was a late summer trade to Carolina.

2017:
Round 1: Tre White - looks to be a steal at this point. Runner up for DRY.
Round 2: Zay Jones - Very inconsistent rookie year. Played through an injury all year but looks like a slot only receiver.
Round 2b: Dion Dawkins - Another potential steal as he took over the LT duties early in the season and Buffalo isn't looking back.
Round 5: Matt Milano - Undersized guy that has a nose for the ball with 1INT, 1FF and 1FR for a touchdown. 
Round 5: Nathan Peterman - Solid pre-season that was quickly forgotten by everyone after a disaster against LAC. Played well in the snow against Indy. Career backup at best.
Round 6: Tanner Vallejo - Primarily played special teams.

Doug Whaley officially became GM just after to 2013 draft and though he was around last draft, there is no question each and every selection was done by Sean McDermott.

There are only three players still left on the team from the 14-16 drafts (John Miller, Nick O'Leary and Adolphus Washington). No one remains from the 2013 draft. Two players from 2014 are pending free agents (Preston Brown, Seantrel Henderson) and it is hard to say if they will be back. Suffice to say, Doug Whaley was horrendous at drafting players and it would be hard for Brandon Beane to not our perform him. 

McDermott in one off-season traded away 5 of Whaley's pick (and a 2018 6th) which atm has given them a return of EJ Gaines (pending free agent) Jordan Mathews (pending free agent), Kaelin Clay (later cut), 2nd round pick from LAR, 3rd round pick from Philadelphia, 6th round pick from LAC (later traded to Carolina for Benjamin) and a 2019 4th round pick from KC.

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Out of my vast respect for @EaglesPeteC I will provide insight to some of the New York Giants' draft picks. As I am in a precarious place psychologically right now after The Ben McAdoo Era I will limit myself to their stellar draft of 2012:

1. David Wilson, small-but-fast RB: A sad case. Wilson was the one genuinely-good player chosen this year by the Giants; after an uneven but promising rookie season, his career was ended by a neck injury. Wilson was rated one of the top running backs in the draft generally, and thus was not a Jerry Reese Athletic-Freak Reach; he was rated in the pantheon of Everyone After Trent Richardson (Be still, Mine Heart!) in the 2012 draft. He actually led the NFL in kickoff-return yardage in his rookie year, returning one for a touchdown; he made the Pro Bowl as a special teamer. Unfortunately, David Wilson fumbled his second carry in his first NFL game, and was consigned to Purgatory by Tom Coughlin, a devout Catholic who regarded turnovers as a Mortal Sin. The Giants' selection of Wilson may have been influenced by his pogo-stick touchdown-celebratory backflips; two years earlier they had scored heavily in drafting another backflip acrobat in Jason Pierre-Paul. By the bye, the story that Wilson's neck injury was caused by landing on his head in a mistimed backflip is an Urban Legend- it arose from a normal tackle.

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2. Rueben Randle, Unfocused WR (and my favorite!)- A lazy lout who had ability but also an unhappy tendency to forget his routes, give up on his routes, drift away from his routes, and occasionally catch the ball. It is sometimes difficult to differentiate between lethargy and stupidity. Rueben, demonstrating that his mental woes were not limited to the playing field, managed to get cut by the Eagles the year before they won the Super Bowl. Out of football now, Rueben Randle runs a Zen Meditation School, where he advises his students to empty their minds of all things, a state which he has permanently attained. "It be like, how a dude posta get him some Nirvana, he always wants tah be fussin' 'bout his nex' contrack?"

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3. Jayron Hosley, tiny CB with hands of stone, in the great tradition of NYG defensive backs: Jayron was earmarked to be the Giants' slot cornerback, or something; he intercepted 1 pass in his rookie season, and never again would in his 4-year career. Not especially noted either for tackling, coverage, or special-teams play; pleasant telephone manners, though.

4. Adrien Robinson, Oh My God, "The Jason Pierre-Paul of Tight Ends": The quintessential Jerry Reese Athletic-Freak Reach, a large, swift, and sculpted TE who possessed all the attributes for greatness other than "playing football". The poor guy! It was hardly his fault that Jerry Reese, agog over Robinson's track-and-field potential, a) overdrafted him, and b) On Draft Day, justifying this baffling reach, hung the hyperbolic nickname on Adrien that would haunt him the rest of his career (3 seasons, zero catches his first year, zero his second year; 5 in his final season, his career total). Jerry Reese, taunted endlessly about that ill-chosen descriptive, clumsily backpedalled, claiming, "I meant, the Peter-Paul of Tight Ends, you know- a great candy bar?"

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4b. Brandon Mosley, OT, the Annual Middle-Round Nothing-Much O-Lineman: Jerry Reese would toss the Giant fans a bone like this every year, at O-line or linebacker- neglect to spend a high draft pick on an actual good player at either position, persisting in the belief that they could be found in the mid- and late-rounds of the draft (Jerry Reese also successfully disproved that belief). The rhyming names of the third- and fourth-round picks, too- Hosley? Mosley?- may have caused some confusion:

6. Matt McCants- another mid-round OT flop! Jerry swung and missed twice at offensive tackle in this draft. McCants was also another Hey, Lookit That Athleticism! guy. He was reputedly fairly nimble on his feet, and, for once, the Giants were not the only team fooled. After they released McCants he bounced around the league, to the Raiders, to the Browns, to the Bears, and back to the Browns again, before fading off into the horizon. Failing to make the Cleveland Browns twice is probably not a good sign. McCants, also tellingly, played the tuba in his high-school band, presumably better than he blocked. One hopes that he is, today, happy:

7. Markus Kuhn, DT From Germany (!)  Likable, brawny, German-born player who became the first German citizen in the NFL to score a touchdown (one wonders how he might have done had he been used to blitz) A try-hard guy who just didn't have quite enough, but lasted for 3 seasons. Best remembered for sending his teammates into fits of laughter by arising from the dining-room table, intent on getting seconds, and announcing in an unintentionally-Schwarzeneggerian voice, "I'll be back!"

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