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I agree Thai. A company can fire you if you are sabotaging what they are about. Saying that you like Coke better, publicly, working for Pepsi, directly effects their image and therefore, they have every right to let you go. 

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4 hours ago, mike23md said:

I agree Thai. A company can fire you if you are sabotaging what they are about. Saying that you like Coke better, publicly, working for Pepsi, directly effects their image and therefore, they have every right to let you go. 

Well that's totally different. I'm saying just because a player is accused of something doesn't mean they did it and in most cases now a days the players don't actually get convicted of anything but they still get suspended and lose game checks. That should not be allowed.

sometimes those bringing accusations lie - especially about NFL players - in hopes that they can extort money or something else from them. The NFL shouldn't be suspending anyone until they are proven in the court of law to have done something wrong/illegal. 

The entire NFL system for suspending players is screwed up. It needs drastically changed and to go back to the way it was before Godell was commissioner. If a player was convicted of something then he's suspended but the NFL looks really bad in how they've mishandled other investigations and suspended players when they could never prove they did anything wrong.

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In the state of North Carolina (right to work state) they don't have to have a reason to fire you! Employers can can fire you without cause as long as you can not prove they are discriminating against you! 

Im sure an elementary  school teacher would be fired if they had a side job as a porn star!! Porn is legal in all 50 states! 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Marcus21 said:

In the state of North Carolina (right to work state) they don't have to have a reason to fire you! Employers can can fire you without cause as long as you can not prove they are discriminating against you! 

Im sure an elementary  school teacher would be fired if they had a side job as a porn star!! Porn is legal in all 50 states! 

 

 

Ok once again, not the same thing. We're not talking about Elliot doing porn. We're talking about him being accused of something that no one has been able to prove he did yet. Sure, if Elliot was doing porn on the side and the NFL or the Cowboys didn't agree they could suspended him or cut him, but that's different, they'd have proof. In this case, there is no proof that I've seen that Elliot did what his accuser is saying he did. That is the same thing in the deflategate case and so many other cases where players get suspended because they are accused of something but then in court they don't get convicted of it. It's wrong. 

I'd also add that Elliot's employer actually isn't the NFL, it's the Dallas Cowboys. I think the players and owners alike have given way too much leighway to the league office to have a whole division that suspends these players and many times it's never proven they did anything wrong. The NFL league office just seems to be making up things as they go most of the time and stretching the truth - or basically lying - in order to prove a players guilt in a crime so they can suspended them.

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Stephen Paea pushing for starting NT job with Cowboys

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/18/stephen-paea-pushing-for-starting-nt-job-with-cowboys/ via @ProFootballTalk

Just be aggressive in there,” Paea said, via Drew Davison of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. “A lot of guys they think of a nose tackle, they’re just there playing with your hands and just playing the run, but Rod just wants more out of the nose tackle. If you don’t pass rush as a nose, then you’re not doing your job, so that’s what he wants from the nose tackle.”

Terrell McClain started 15 games at the nose last season, and after he left in free agency, the Cowboys signed Paea, who played for Marinelli in Chicago after the Bears made him a second-round pick in 2011.

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On 8/16/2017 at 2:40 PM, turtle28 said:

Well that's totally different. I'm saying just because a player is accused of something doesn't mean they did it and in most cases now a days the players don't actually get convicted of anything but they still get suspended and lose game checks. That should not be allowed.

sometimes those bringing accusations lie - especially about NFL players - in hopes that they can extort money or something else from them. The NFL shouldn't be suspending anyone until they are proven in the court of law to have done something wrong/illegal. 

The entire NFL system for suspending players is screwed up. It needs drastically changed and to go back to the way it was before Godell was commissioner. If a player was convicted of something then he's suspended but the NFL looks really bad in how they've mishandled other investigations and suspended players when they could never prove they did anything wrong.

Again, you agree that an employee can be punished for things that are not criminal but then seem to want to go by criminal burden of proof when it suits you. Doesn't work that way. The NFL has a civil burden of proof (preponderance of evidence). And that is what they relied on. And the recent war of words between the NFL and NFLPA just ensured that Zeke's suspension remains at the full 6 games. And now I'm pulling for the owners not to give one inch.

Regardless, let's talk about the teams and how it affects the NFC East. 

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3 minutes ago, Thaiphoon said:

Again, you agree that an employee can be punished for things that are not criminal but then seem to want to go by criminal burden of proof when it suits you. Doesn't work that way. The NFL has a civil burden of proof (preponderance of evidence). And that is what they relied on. And the recent war of words between the NFL and NFLPA just ensured that Zeke's suspension remains at the full 6 games. And now I'm pulling for the owners not to give one inch.

Regardless, let's talk about the teams and how it affects the NFC East. 

Yes we might as well not even talk about it because we're not going to agree ever. You see things as a business owner and I see everything in my life through the eyes of a union official who represents workers rights daily and how can I do things to make the working classes life better.

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9 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Yes we might as well not even talk about it because we're not going to agree ever. You see things as a business owner and I see everything in my life through the eyes of a union official who represents workers rights daily and how can I do things to make the working classes life better.

Very true. However, if you remember, I was on the union's side until the NFLPA screwed us over on the salary cap penalty. Now I want the owners to roll them every time. But that's for another discussion.

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14 minutes ago, Thaiphoon said:

Very true. However, if you remember, I was on the union's side until the NFLPA screwed us over on the salary cap penalty. Now I want the owners to roll them every time. But that's for another discussion.

I think we all better prepare for a work stoppage of some kind when the CBA is up. I don't see how these two sides will solve the major issues they have between them without both sides losing some money over it.

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6 hours ago, Doc Draper said:

LMAO!!! That's way too far away to even think about. 

Doesn't matter how far away it is. The players are going to want this suspension system to drastically change, they're going to want more guaranteed contracts or fully guaranteed shorter contracts, expanded rosters, probably upgrades in safety of the equipment to help protect against concussions and that's not even counting what percentage the NFL income goes to the players in the next contract from the tv contract etc.

The owners want more games, probably 18. Goddell already mentioned that they may be willing to shorten the preseason but I'm sure if the players do that, the owners/league are going to want to go to at least 17 games, if not 18. And if that happens, the players are going to want an even larger piece of the income pie.

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On 8/10/2017 at 6:45 PM, Woz said:

Because it isn't against the rules of the game, and it isn't damaging the shield as much as say beating your wife?

It's fraud, that's pretty damaging and it's proven he did it.

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