Unpopular opinion... Josh Harris should clean house & tank for Caleb Williams

[turtle28]

So...

Probably will get a fair amount of blowback from this, but maybe not considering a good chunk of us have considered a true fire sale & tank to get a top QB for 15 plus years rather than striving to be mediocre every year and at best win 9 or 10 games & lose in the first round.

Harris should fire Rivera & the coaching staff but Bienemy & the guys Bieniemy brought in. Promote Bieniemy to HC. 

Have Mayhew trade the vets who aren't team leaders and go with just those few vets & an extremely young team.

This means trading or cutting:

Leno, Norwell, Samuel, Gibson, Lucas, Larsen, Sweat, Obada, Mayo & Fuller.

It doesn't make sense cap wise to trade guys like Wylie & Payne bc they just received big contracts & the cap hit would be awful so they stay. Jon Allen & Terry are retained bc they are the two team leaders.

And with the first pick in the 2024 NFL Draft the Washington Red Wolves select:

 

Edited May 13, 2023 by turtle28

[Slappy Mc]

26 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

This means trading or cutting:

Leno, Norwell, Samuel, Gibson, Lucas, Larsen, Sweat, Obada, Mayo & Fuller.

The omission of Chase Young from this list invalidated everything you said.

[turtle28]

9 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said:

The omission of Chase Young from this list invalidated everything you said.

Trading Chase makes no sense right now bc his value is awful bc he's coming off his knee injury. Trading Chase for a late round pick is stupid.

Edited May 13, 2023 by turtle28

[Slappy Mc]

5 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Trading Chase makes no sense right now bc his value is awful bc he's coming off his knee injury. Trading Chase for a late round pick is stupid.

Keeping a player that busted when your plan is to tank is the bad idea. Recouping anything from the waste of a draft pick is better than nothing IMO. Either way in your scenario, there is zero chance he gets resigned right? Unless, for some reason, you think we tank and Chase Young still has a season good enough to get him resigned?

[turtle28]

17 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said:

Keeping a player that busted when your plan is to tank is the bad idea. Recouping anything from the waste of a draft pick is better than nothing IMO. Either way in your scenario, there is zero chance he gets resigned right? Unless, for some reason, you think we tank and Chase Young still has a season good enough to get him resigned?

If he's “busted” then it doesn't matter if he's kept this yesr or not. You keep him this year bc there’s still untapped potential & at worst he walks next year & then we get a mid to late round comp pick in 2025 if we don't keep him after next year & he signs somewhere else next year.

[Slappy Mc]

6 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

If he's “busted” then it doesn't matter if he's kept this yesr or not. You keep him this year bc there’s still untapped potential & at worst he walks next year & then we get a mid to late round comp pick in 2025 if we don't keep him after next year & he signs somewhere else next year.

Your logic is very flawed. We aren't getting a comp pick for a player that wont be signing any sort of decent contract. If your goal is to recoup any value, you trade him for whatever you can get. That way you don't pay his salary this year and you get some value. Unless you expect him to perform this year, you move on and get something in return.

With that said, I think there is a less than 1% chance this scenario plays out in your view. I expect them to clean house after this season, but don't expect a tank from the team, especially in the scenario that Rivera is fired and Bieniemy is promoted to HC. Also, you gotta field a team and getting rid of your starting LT, Slot WR, CB, DE, and back up RB, OT, OC, DE and LB doesn't get it done. I think Norwell will be gone as others have suggested (don't know if its the smartest move, but he isn't very good) but outside of that getting rid of any of the others doesn't seem likely.

[turtle28]

41 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said:

Your logic is very flawed. We aren't getting a comp pick for a player that wont be signing any sort of decent contract. If your goal is to recoup any value, you trade him for whatever you can get. That way you don't pay his salary this year and you get some value. Unless you expect him to perform this year, you move on and get something in return.

With that said, I think there is a less than 1% chance this scenario plays out in your view. I expect them to clean house after this season, but don't expect a tank from the team, especially in the scenario that Rivera is fired and Bieniemy is promoted to HC. Also, you gotta field a team and getting rid of your starting LT, Slot WR, CB, DE, and back up RB, OT, OC, DE and LB doesn't get it done. I think Norwell will be gone as others have suggested (don't know if its the smartest move, but he isn't very good) but outside of that getting rid of any of the others doesn't seem likely.

Tim Settle netted us a 6th round comp pick & he signed to be a backup DT in Buffalo two years ago. So is have to assume that even if Chase has an average season & we don't re-sign him next year that he'd net us a better comp pick than that as another teams starting DE or at least a guy that team thinks will compete to be a starting DE.

[Slappy Mc]

41 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Tim Settle netted us a 6th round comp pick & he signed to be a backup DT in Buffalo two years ago. So is have to assume that even if Chase has an average season & we don't re-sign him next year that he'd net us a better comp pick than that as another teams starting DE or at least a guy that team thinks will compete to be a starting DE.

We had to sit out all of Free Agency for Settle to net us a comp pick. You think after a tank year where we trade away a bunch of players, we are going to avoid FA the following year too?

[MKnight82]

Its too late in the offseason to do this. 

[turtle28]

26 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said:

We had to sit out all of Free Agency for Settle to net us a comp pick. You think after a tank year where we trade away a bunch of players, we are going to avoid FA the following year too?

That's what Harris did in Philly. 

[turtle28]

26 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

Its too late in the offseason to do this. 

Never too late. Team's do this midseason 

[taylor made]

We should have been rebuilding during the draft and drafted O-Line (at least in the first two rounds) so we could have selected our future QBOTF next year. instead we drafted win now type players. I fully expect Sam Howell to be below average but at least we'll finally land a top 10 pick this year. 

[turtle28]

2 hours ago, taylor made said:

We should have been rebuilding during the draft and drafted O-Line (at least in the first two rounds) so we could have selected our future QBOTF next year. instead we drafted win now type players. I fully expect Sam Howell to be below average but at least we'll finally land a top 10 pick this year. 

The top OL we're gone in round 1 by our pick this year. Once again, winning in week 18 vs Dallas was nice but it cost us Parris Johnson, Broderick Jones or Peter S just like in 2020 us winning the division at 7-9 cost us Michah Parsons, Justin Fields or Mac Jones.

I would make the argument that drafting a starting OT & OG or C in R1 would make the weakest part of our team stronger thus making our run game stronger & giving Howell more time. So, that probably wins us a few more games where us not being able to take one of the best OTs & choosing to take a nickel back in R2 instead of a C/G prospect isn't going to get us more wins.

I do agree that Howell is likely to be below average. New offense for the entire offense and still an unreliable interior OL points to our offense still being bottom half in the league.

It's most likely that Howell throws for 3500 yds or less w/ 20 passing TD's, 5 rushing TD's & 15-20 ints.

Edited May 14, 2023 by turtle28

[RSkinGM]

I'm shocked you posted this . There's never a time to tank. It's dishonorable for one thing . We need to fight to win over the fans , old and new. I respect you as a long time fan and poster and you certainly have the right to think and speak your mind,,,,but this should be retracted. 🥺

[Thaiphoon]

You finna get dragged by the "never tank" crowd.

I don't like intentionally tanking an entire season. But I absolutely understand recognizing a season is getting away from us and we're not going to make the playoffs and then tanking (or - not putting forth the most effort to win) to ensure we had a better pick. One more loss in a season and Joe Burrow is our QB. An earlier season, an additional loss would've gotten us Luck and not had us trading 4 picks away to draft a QB.

There's an argument to be made to tank. But that is specific to the current conditions during a season. I do not recommend going into an offseason and then a season with the intention to tank the entire season. No. I do have a line.