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On 6/5/2023 at 2:10 PM, StLunatic88 said:

We did some Fields (and others) predictions in another thread, so I wanted to expand alittle more in this thread for the rest of the league.

Its not stats, but I go through the whole schedule (with a grid) and predict every game for the season. I did my first pass recently, and Ill do it again before the season starts when teams are a bit more clear.

What Im sure you all want to know, Ive got the Bears going 6-11, finishing 3rd in the Division. I just dont think we are going to be able to outscore teams yet, and with this defense, thats what we would have to do. Too many young/unproven guys in important spots to rely on them. I do have us in/close/covering the majority of their games, but probably letting teams take the final drive for the win way too often with not enough time left to answer.

Across the league, Ive got the #1 seeds as; Cincinnati in the AFC (14-3) with Joe Burrow's MVP season as the OL finally gels in year 2 of the rebuild there. And then a bit of a surprise with Dallas in the NFC (15-2) in a battle with the Eagles right behind them (14-3) as the Cowboys take advantage of a pretty easy schedule and sneak one extra win.

Other division winners; AFC- Buffalo (12-5), Kansas City (12-5) Jacksonville (13-4)/ NFC- Minnesota (10-7), New Orleans (11-6) San Francisco (12-5). Then the Jets (11-6)/ Broncos (11-6)/ Ravens (12-5) snatching the Wild Card spots in the AFC, and the Lions (9-8)/ Giants (10-7)/ Eages (14-3) getting the NFC Wild Cards. I have the Bengals making the Super Bowl over the Bills, and then the Niners taking advantage of the Cowboys finally choking, With Shanahan taking advantage of this absurd roster they built with at minimum a competent QB (who may or may not already be on the roster)

I have the Texans as a major surprise (10-7) as they take advantage of a bad schedule, and CJ Stroud takes the ROY. Also the Patriots and Browns (9-8) just barely miss the playoffs as well. While Chargers disappoint again, and its time to get an offensive guide for Herbert. On the other side, the only thing to really write home about is the Falcon's Offense being dynamic and just losing the tiebreaker to the Lions for the final WC spot, while Geno Smith doesnt turn into a Pumpkin, but comes back to earth and the Seahawks underachieve. Overall the AFC is much stronger than the NFC, as out Conference hold 7 of the Top 10 picks in the Draft.

Speaking Of... 2024 Drat Order

  1. ARZ (1-16)
  2. WAS (1-16)
  3. LV (2-15)
  4. IND (3-14)
  5. CAR>CHI (4-13)
  6. LAR (5-12)
  7. GB (5-12)
  8. TB (5-12)
  9. CHI (6-11)
  10. MIA (6-11)
  11. TEN (7-10)
  12. LAC (7-10)

The Cards were going to be bad this year regardless, and Kyler's rehab is just another monkey wrench. I wouldnt be shocked if he has played his last snap as a Cardinal. But the #1 pick is decided week one when the Commanders are actually trying to let Sam Howell win, and they get their lone W over Arizona. The Raiders dont have a real backup plan from the Jimmy G saga, and they werent good last year either. Indy does growing pains with Richardson, but there is very limited talent across the rest of the roster. Carolina is going to be painfully competent for all Fan Bases interested, but they just arent going to have any offense, so low scoring games and close losses for most of the year. The Rams finally have a FRP, maybe the 3rd (or 4th) QB prospect will be enough to keep McVay interested? And away from Retirement? Even when the Packers fall off after decades, we actually end up with a Higer FRP than them, it will be so great to see happen. Bucs are still trying to win with that roster, and unfortunately for them, Baker is likely to pull one or two out of his Butt early on before they shed every asset they can which keeps them way from the top of the draft. Ive talked about the Bears, but a pair of Top 10 picks would be Exactly what we need to complete this rebuild and send us off as the Favorites of the North for a while. I just cant assume Tua's health for the Dolphins, and that Division is now crazy good. Titans try to go one more time with the mess of a Roster/Cap they have, and its probably infuriating for Vrabel. And as I said before, the Chargers finally fall apart enough to move on and ger an Offensive mind for Herbert.

So if the Bears beat ARZ, WAS, LV, CAR, GB X 2, TB ... that's 7 wins right there lolz😁🤣

MN is rebuilding, 2 more wins here ...😁  Man... we could be in the playoff lolz ahahahah

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On 6/5/2023 at 4:10 PM, StLunatic88 said:

We did some Fields (and others) predictions in another thread, so I wanted to expand alittle more in this thread for the rest of the league.

Its not stats, but I go through the whole schedule (with a grid) and predict every game for the season. I did my first pass recently, and Ill do it again before the season starts when teams are a bit more clear.

What Im sure you all want to know, Ive got the Bears going 6-11, finishing 3rd in the Division. I just dont think we are going to be able to outscore teams yet, and with this defense, thats what we would have to do. Too many young/unproven guys in important spots to rely on them. I do have us in/close/covering the majority of their games, but probably letting teams take the final drive for the win way too often with not enough time left to answer.

Across the league, Ive got the #1 seeds as; Cincinnati in the AFC (14-3) with Joe Burrow's MVP season as the OL finally gels in year 2 of the rebuild there. And then a bit of a surprise with Dallas in the NFC (15-2) in a battle with the Eagles right behind them (14-3) as the Cowboys take advantage of a pretty easy schedule and sneak one extra win.

Other division winners; AFC- Buffalo (12-5), Kansas City (12-5) Jacksonville (13-4)/ NFC- Minnesota (10-7), New Orleans (11-6) San Francisco (12-5). Then the Jets (11-6)/ Broncos (11-6)/ Ravens (12-5) snatching the Wild Card spots in the AFC, and the Lions (9-8)/ Giants (10-7)/ Eages (14-3) getting the NFC Wild Cards. I have the Bengals making the Super Bowl over the Bills, and then the Niners taking advantage of the Cowboys finally choking, With Shanahan taking advantage of this absurd roster they built with at minimum a competent QB (who may or may not already be on the roster)

I have the Texans as a major surprise (10-7) as they take advantage of a bad schedule, and CJ Stroud takes the ROY. Also the Patriots and Browns (9-8) just barely miss the playoffs as well. While Chargers disappoint again, and its time to get an offensive guide for Herbert. On the other side, the only thing to really write home about is the Falcon's Offense being dynamic and just losing the tiebreaker to the Lions for the final WC spot, while Geno Smith doesnt turn into a Pumpkin, but comes back to earth and the Seahawks underachieve. Overall the AFC is much stronger than the NFC, as out Conference hold 7 of the Top 10 picks in the Draft.

Speaking Of... 2024 Drat Order

  1. ARZ (1-16)
  2. WAS (1-16)
  3. LV (2-15)
  4. IND (3-14)
  5. CAR>CHI (4-13)
  6. LAR (5-12)
  7. GB (5-12)
  8. TB (5-12)
  9. CHI (6-11)
  10. MIA (6-11)
  11. TEN (7-10)
  12. LAC (7-10)

The Cards were going to be bad this year regardless, and Kyler's rehab is just another monkey wrench. I wouldnt be shocked if he has played his last snap as a Cardinal. But the #1 pick is decided week one when the Commanders are actually trying to let Sam Howell win, and they get their lone W over Arizona. The Raiders dont have a real backup plan from the Jimmy G saga, and they werent good last year either. Indy does growing pains with Richardson, but there is very limited talent across the rest of the roster. Carolina is going to be painfully competent for all Fan Bases interested, but they just arent going to have any offense, so low scoring games and close losses for most of the year. The Rams finally have a FRP, maybe the 3rd (or 4th) QB prospect will be enough to keep McVay interested? And away from Retirement? Even when the Packers fall off after decades, we actually end up with a Higer FRP than them, it will be so great to see happen. Bucs are still trying to win with that roster, and unfortunately for them, Baker is likely to pull one or two out of his Butt early on before they shed every asset they can which keeps them way from the top of the draft. Ive talked about the Bears, but a pair of Top 10 picks would be Exactly what we need to complete this rebuild and send us off as the Favorites of the North for a while. I just cant assume Tua's health for the Dolphins, and that Division is now crazy good. Titans try to go one more time with the mess of a Roster/Cap they have, and its probably infuriating for Vrabel. And as I said before, the Chargers finally fall apart enough to move on and ger an Offensive mind for Herbert.

Miami 12-5, Bills 11-6, Jets 10-7, Pats 7-10

Ravens 11-6, Bengals 10-7, Steelers 9-8, Browns 7-10

Jags 12-5, Titans 9-8, Texans 8-9, Colts 6-11

Chiefs 13-4, Broncos 10-7, Chargers 10-7, Raiders 6-11

Cowboys 12-5, Eagles 11-6, Commanders 9-8, Giants 8-9

Lions 10-7, Bears 8-9, Vikings 7-10, Packers 7-10

Saints 10-7, Panthers 8-9, Falcons 7-10, Bucs 5-12

Niners 11-6, Seahawks 9-8, Rams 6-11, Cardinals 3-14

Niners over Eagles in the NFCCG

Ravens over Chiefs in the AFCCG

Ravens win the Super Bowl

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15 hours ago, beardown3231 said:

Miami 12-5, Bills 11-6, Jets 10-7, Pats 7-10

Ravens 11-6, Bengals 10-7, Steelers 9-8, Browns 7-10

Jags 12-5, Titans 9-8, Texans 8-9, Colts 6-11

Chiefs 13-4, Broncos 10-7, Chargers 10-7, Raiders 6-11

Cowboys 12-5, Eagles 11-6, Commanders 9-8, Giants 8-9

Lions 10-7, Bears 8-9, Vikings 7-10, Packers 7-10

Saints 10-7, Panthers 8-9, Falcons 7-10, Bucs 5-12

Niners 11-6, Seahawks 9-8, Rams 6-11, Cardinals 3-14

Niners over Eagles in the NFCCG

Ravens over Chiefs in the AFCCG

Ravens win the Super Bowl

Not doing the math but I think you have more combined wins there than there are total games.

Relative to your projections, I think NE, PIT, WSH, NYG, CAR and LAR will all be at least one game worse than you’ve projected, and I think CLE will be better. I think SF will probably be higher too but without knowing what’s happening at QB there they’re really hard to project. 

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18 hours ago, Madmike90 said:

I will be honest I would be stunned if Washington are that bad...yeah the QB is a massive question mark but they have enough weapons on the outside to at least be someone productive and more importantly that D is legit good...like could be top 10 good...I also think Indy will be better this year...the OL will get healthy and they will turn to an offence like ours last season to at least get something going...

Their QB situation isnt just a Question mark, it is possibly the Worst situation in the League. The Cards will be worse, and ther Raiders might be as well, but those are due to Injury situations. Washington is PURPOSLY going into the season like this...

Yes they have a very talented DL, but they have nearly nothing behind them, Its the inverse of what we are running out there (and we arent going to be a good Defense)

Im not sure their OL is any better than last year, and the only reason our offense was palatable enough to look at was because of Justin Fields, and they dont have Justin Fields. Their offense could look more like when Simien and Peterman were under Center for us. 

They clearly are fine punting this season and getting the new ownership their new Face of the Franchise in 2024. 

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17 hours ago, JibjeResearch said:

So if the Bears beat ARZ, WAS, LV, CAR, GB X 2, TB ... that's 7 wins right there lolz😁🤣

MN is rebuilding, 2 more wins here ...😁  Man... we could be in the playoff lolz ahahahah

ARZ, WAS and LV should all be wins. CAR absolutely HAS to be a Win. But outside of that, Im not sure we will be favored come game day for any other game. 

TB still has a more talented Roster than we do, and early season/New Team Baker usually takes a month or so for the shine to wear off.

GB isnt that much different than us, so anyone assuming we are just going to Sweep them is being a Homer. Especially Bookending the season with them, where we have shown that we are willing to sit guys down at the end of the season with nothing on the line (especially on the road, especially when it not only would help us but hurt a division rivals draft)

And Sure Minnesota isnt great, they werent great last year, just lucky. But they didnt get worse this offseason, they lost some Old Names, and until Hunter is actually traded, they havent lost him yet. (i.e. Ill believe it when I see it) In the secondary they lost Patrick Peterson and Duke Shelly, then added Byron Murphy, Joejuan Williams, Mekhi Blackmon and Jay Ward. They lost Adam Theilen, but added Jordan Addison. They Traded Ze'Darius Smith, but they added Marcus Davenport. And while they might have to cut Dalvin Cook, they did keep Alex Mattison (they arent all that different in the Vikings offense). So again, they lost some aging names, but Id argue that they brough in just as much as went out the door. And thats not even counting the upgrade of Brian Flores as the DC.

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16 hours ago, beardown3231 said:

Niners over Eagles in the NFCCG

Ravens over Chiefs in the AFCCG

Ravens win the Super Bowl

I just dont think Lamar is a good enough QB, and they are (supposedly) going to be leaning on him to carry that offense from inside the pocket more than ever before.

Him beating out Allen, Burrow, Lawrence and Mahomes in the playoffs just seems like a large hill to climb.

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2 hours ago, StLunatic88 said:

Their QB situation isnt just a Question mark, it is possibly the Worst situation in the League. The Cards will be worse, and ther Raiders might be as well, but those are due to Injury situations. Washington is PURPOSLY going into the season like this...

Yes they have a very talented DL, but they have nearly nothing behind them, Its the inverse of what we are running out there (and we arent going to be a good Defense)

Im not sure their OL is any better than last year, and the only reason our offense was palatable enough to look at was because of Justin Fields, and they dont have Justin Fields. Their offense could look more like when Simien and Peterman were under Center for us. 

They clearly are fine punting this season and getting the new ownership their new Face of the Franchise in 2024. 

We aren't going to agree on that one...Jamin Davis had a solid year last year and could be a break out candidate this...Forbes as much as the weight scares me long term is clearly a playmaker at CB and Fuller isn't bad either...as for Safety they are very talented & deep...Kam Curl is excellent...Forrest played really well last season and they then drafted Martin in round 2 this offseason...

I think they have a bit more on D than you think...

Offence is clearly an issue but I still don't think they will be bad enough to only win 1 game.

 

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30 minutes ago, Madmike90 said:

We aren't going to agree on that one...Jamin Davis had a solid year last year and could be a break out candidate this...Forbes as much as the weight scares me long term is clearly a playmaker at CB and Fuller isn't bad either...as for Safety they are very talented & deep...Kam Curl is excellent...Forrest played really well last season and they then drafted Martin in round 2 this offseason...

I think they have a bit more on D than you think...

Offence is clearly an issue but I still don't think they will be bad enough to only win 1 game.

 

I think they have some talent in the secondary, but no game changers. Solid at best, but you cant assume best. Its alot like our DL.

Ill ask you this, do you think they are beating the Bears there in DC? Because if not, other than that opening game against the Cardinals, they dont have anyone easier than us on the schedule. I think the Falcons are better than us, and thats a Road Game for the Commanders. And while I put the Rams in the same group as us, its also on the road, and late in the season that they will be committed to losing at that point. The only other obvious Win possibility on the schedule right now, is Miami at home assuming Tua is already out for the season. 

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8 hours ago, AZBearsFan said:

Not doing the math but I think you have more combined wins there than there are total games.

Relative to your projections, I think NE, PIT, WSH, NYG, CAR and LAR will all be at least one game worse than you’ve projected, and I think CLE will be better. I think SF will probably be higher too but without knowing what’s happening at QB there they’re really hard to project. 

I always do that. I always tell myself I'll put the standings order without record and then I end up doing it and looking like an idiot :)

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On 6/9/2023 at 7:10 PM, StLunatic88 said:

I think they have some talent in the secondary, but no game changers. Solid at best, but you cant assume best. Its alot like our DL.

Ill ask you this, do you think they are beating the Bears there in DC? Because if not, other than that opening game against the Cardinals, they dont have anyone easier than us on the schedule. I think the Falcons are better than us, and thats a Road Game for the Commanders. And while I put the Rams in the same group as us, its also on the road, and late in the season that they will be committed to losing at that point. The only other obvious Win possibility on the schedule right now, is Miami at home assuming Tua is already out for the season. 

Yeah we clearly see Kam Curl very differently...we seem to see that whole defence differently...

Do I see them beating us? Possibly...I think we are pretty closely matched...as for the rest of their schedule I wouldn't take anything for granted in the NFC East as all those teams seem to beat each other when they might not be the best team on paper...I think they are far better than the Cardinals & Rams...I think they could also beat the Patriots...the Dolphins as you said aren't a sure thing...even the Broncos...I think they will be competitive and in a lot of games...no one is saying they are winning 8 or 9 games but I also don't think anyone should be saying they are only winning 1 or 2.

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6 hours ago, Madmike90 said:

no one is saying they are winning 8 or 9 games but I also don't think anyone should be saying they are only winning 1 or 2.

They. Don’t. Have. A. Quarterback.

Its that simple, you would need an Elite Defense to even be competitive without a QB in todays NFL. And they have a pretty hard schedule on top of it. They wouldn’t be expected to complete in a pretty loaded NFC East even if Hinekie was still their QB. But they said, nah we’re good with Sam Howell…..

When teams are trying to tell us that they want to lose, I don’t know why so many people try to ignore it. 

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20 hours ago, StLunatic88 said:

They. Don’t. Have. A. Quarterback.

Its that simple, you would need an Elite Defense to even be competitive without a QB in todays NFL. And they have a pretty hard schedule on top of it. They wouldn’t be expected to complete in a pretty loaded NFC East even if Hinekie was still their QB. But they said, nah we’re good with Sam Howell…..

When teams are trying to tell us that they want to lose, I don’t know why so many people try to ignore it. 

At minimum WSH is saying they’re taking a long shot swing rather than trotting out a known backup caliber player like Heinicke or Wentz again. Either Howell shows to be better than his draft position, or he’s QB2 behind a high pick in 2024. Now, I don’t think Howell will be any good either, but as a fan I’d be far happier with their approach starting him and having a long shot chance at finding something than staying the course with the underwhelming bandaid guy who’ll win just enough games to hurt you in late April. 

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On 6/12/2023 at 1:43 AM, StLunatic88 said:

They. Don’t. Have. A. Quarterback.

Its that simple, you would need an Elite Defense to even be competitive without a QB in todays NFL. And they have a pretty hard schedule on top of it. They wouldn’t be expected to complete in a pretty loaded NFC East even if Hinekie was still their QB. But they said, nah we’re good with Sam Howell…..

When teams are trying to tell us that they want to lose, I don’t know why so many people try to ignore it. 

Not having a QB stops you from winning in the playoffs...it doesn't make you a one win team when you have talent elsewhere.

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