Scoundrel Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Thought they would want to see how the year played out for him before giving him this money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Although it likely lowers his cap hit this season, I’m not a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trentwannabe Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Woof. He better start being a heck of a lot more consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted June 3, 2023 Author Share Posted June 3, 2023 Does this open up some cap this year to pursue DHop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trentwannabe Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 In that sense I’m OK with it. Still seems like an over pay on the surface. Conversely if they go and sign someone like Ngakoue or another vet DE with the money they’re likely saving, I’ll be happy about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 19 minutes ago, Trentwannabe said: In that sense I’m OK with it. Still seems like an over pay on the surface. Conversely if they go and sign someone like Ngakoue or another vet DE with the money they’re likely saving, I’ll be happy about that. This logic only works if he went back and did the same for every other DT's extension, and he did not. This happens every time someone wants to make a deal seem friendlier than it is. New money is what matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D82 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 I remember people being very high on him...but I feel like he hasn't exactly been anything more than ok. Surprised they extended him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trentwannabe Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 24 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: This logic only works if he went back and did the same for every other DT's extension, and he did not. This happens every time someone wants to make a deal seem friendlier than it is. New money is what matters. I’ll see your logic and I’ll raise you a Melvin Ingram signing in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 44 minutes ago, Trentwannabe said: I’ll see your logic and I’ll raise you a Melvin Ingram signing in Buffalo. I was going to say he only signs with superbowl contenders, but he was a Dolphin last year, so maybe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Anyway, structure is always king, but on the surface, not a fan of this one. Oliver strikes me as the kind of guy you want to be replacing with fresh blood via the draft if you're going to stay a top tier contender while giving the biggest of deals to the guys that really matter (I'm thinking Allen, Diggs, White, maybe Miller, for Buffalo.) I think they made an excellent move letting Edmunds walk, he's the same caliber of player to me, where like yeah they're good and they were high draft picks, but you need to go ahead and let worse teams outbid you on those ones, while replacing them with good drafting and coaching. That way you have money for the big guns, and to patch holes that you either can't fill through the draft or that don't work out through the draft. Though it might have forced this that they haven't really drafted a DT at all since Oliver. Need to prepare for those sorts of departures in advance. And it's not like top, top money. But it's maybe 75%, 80%. But I don't feel like Oliver is going to give you 75% of the impact of Chris Jones or Jeffrey Simmons or Dexter Lawrence, so that still just feels like you aren't going to get what you paid for there. I feel like the harder part of team building once you already have a good team is knowing the right guys to let go, and to me this feels like one of them. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 $17M a year for a top-10 interior lineman is a good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 49 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: Anyway, structure is always king, but on the surface, not a fan of this one. Oliver strikes me as the kind of guy you want to be replacing with fresh blood via the draft if you're going to stay a top tier contender while giving the biggest of deals to the guys that really matter (I'm thinking Allen, Diggs, White, maybe Miller, for Buffalo.) I think they made an excellent move letting Edmunds walk, he's the same caliber of player to me, where like yeah they're good and they were high draft picks, but you need to go ahead and let worse teams outbid you on those ones, while replacing them with good drafting and coaching. That way you have money for the big guns, and to patch holes that you either can't fill through the draft or that don't work out through the draft. Though it might have forced this that they haven't really drafted a DT at all since Oliver. Need to prepare for those sorts of departures in advance. And it's not like top, top money. But it's maybe 75%, 80%. But I don't feel like Oliver is going to give you 75% of the impact of Chris Jones or Jeffrey Simmons or Dexter Lawrence, so that still just feels like you aren't going to get what you paid for there. I feel like the harder part of team building once you already have a good team is knowing the right guys to let go, and to me this feels like one of them. Objectively statistically he does though, he's top-10 in basically every meaningfully tracked metric. He's not what he was drafted to be, but he's a good player who does what he is asked to do very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, Thelonebillsfan said: Objectively statistically he does though, he's top-10 in basically every meaningfully tracked metric. He's not what he was drafted to be, but he's a good player who does what he is asked to do very well. Honest question, like what? Got any examples? PFF does not have him that high. He's not really a great pass rusher, so he's not top 10 for interior linemen in pressures or sacks or hits or any of that. PFR doesn't have a good way to filter to just interior guys, but Jones, Lawrence, Williams, Heyward, Buckner, Payne, Cox, Autry, Jarrett, Allen, Simmons, Hargrave, etc., all clear him for pass rushing production. If there are any worthwhile run stopping stats for IDL, I'm very much not aware of them. And even if so, top 10 in stats does not mean top 10 in reality. The subjective consensus is pretty clearly not that Oliver is a top 10 interior guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 36 minutes ago, Thelonebillsfan said: $17M a year for a top-10 interior lineman is a good deal. I loved Ed Oliver coming out of the draft. A top 10 interior lineman? Definitely not. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thandInches Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) This seems unwarranted and a luxury signing, not a fan. Edited June 4, 2023 by 4thandInches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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