AlexGreen#20 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2018 Depth Chart: 12/3/17 Edition QB: Aaron Rodgers/Brett Hundley RB: Aaron Jones/Jamal Williams/Ty Montgomery/Davante Mays FB: Aaron Ripkowski TE: Lance Kendricks WR: Jordy Nelson/Randall Cobb/Trevor Davis OT: David Bakhtiari/Bryan Bulaga/Kyle Murphy/Jason Spriggs OG: Lane Taylor OC: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NT: Kenny Clark UT: Mike Daniels/Dean Lowry/Montravius Adams ILB: Blake Martinez/Jake Ryan/Josh Jones OLB: Nick Perry/Clay Matthews/Kyler Fackrell/Vince Biegel/David Talley/Chris Odom CB: Kevin King/Damarious Randall/Quinten Rollins/Josh Hawkins/Lenzy Pipkins S: Ha-Ha Clinton Dix/Kentrell Brice/Marwin Evans K: Mason Crosby P: Justin Vogel LS: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Salary Cap Work We currently have $33,000,000 in cap space. We will roll over $12,500,000. That will give us a total amount of $45,500,000. We will then subtract $10,500,000 to pay for next year’s roll over and draft picks. That leaves a sign and resign budget of $35,000,000 Cuts: Clay Matthews (Save $11,500,000): The man has 15 combined sacks in 2015, 2016, and 2017. I love what he’s done as a Packer especially coming right out of the gate, but Clay will be 32 in 2018 and it looks to me like the acceleration that made him a difference maker is gone. He’s at best our 3rd best pass rusher this season and an argument could be made for 5th. It’s nothing personal, it’s just that you can find that quality of production much cheaper elsewhere. Randall Cobb (Save $9,500,000): Much like Clay, Cobb has simply underperformed his last three seasons. He has a combined 12 TDs and is averaging less than 700 yards per season. With the amount of money that he’s making, he needs to be a significant difference maker and he simply hasn’t been. I also don’t think that he has a long term future with this team. Jordy Nelson has outplayed him in the slot and Cobb isn’t like Nelson where if the slot isn’t playing, he can go to the boundary. Working Cap Number after Cuts: $56,000,000 Resignings (Years/Amount/First Year Cap Hit): Davante Adams (4/50/9): Basing this off the Alshon Jeffery contract. Jeffery got 4/52 but Adams hasn’t had quite the success around the league that Jeffery had. You need Adams back. With Cobb gone and Jordy regressing, you can’t go into next year without Adams. Corey Linsley (2/14/5): Linsley has been very unimpressive this year and looks in a lot of ways like he’s not a needle mover, just a reflection of the guys playing next to him. When Linsley had great guards next to him, he was playing very well. When Linsley has average guards next to him, he’s been mediocre. I struggled like hell with this signing and only kicked him up to 7 AAV to be able to shorten the deal down to 2 years. Jahri Evans (2/5/2): We don’t have another guard on the roster and Evans has been fine this year. Resign him for two more years on his current contract with the expectation he won’t see the second year of his contract. Draft somebody to fill in behind him and learn from him this year. Jeff Janis (2/2.5/1): Pay the man for his specials work. He’s a demon at it. Geronimo Allison (EFRA Tender 1/630k/630k): He literally costs nothing. Is the Nelson/Cobb duo better than the Allison/Nelson duo? Absolutely. But the Allison/Nelson duo is a much better bargain at $9,000,000 cheaper. Let Allision be a place holder for one year as somebody else develops behind him. Justin McCray (EFRA Tender 1/630k/630k): McCray has played a lot of football for us this year, and almost all of it has been at Tackle. He’s a guard, should be playing guard, and considering what his contract is and the lack of depth we have at guard, he’s a fine backup. If a guard drops into your lap in round 4, you cut McCray loose for peanuts. Working Cap Number after Offensive Resignings: $37,500,000 Morgan Burnett (3/24/6): I think Morgan Burnett is a second tier safety, and as a 29 year old second tier safety, you get paid like a second tier safety. We have a dubious history bringing guys back on 3rd contracts, but Burnett isn’t 32 like Clay, he’s 29. He’s also a guy that can be trusted to do everything and is far and away our best box Safety. I know that Jones will eventually need to be groomed into this role, but I think bringing him along slowly is the answer. Davon House (2/7/3): I’m probably too optimistic with this contract, but House signed last year for (1/3/3). This gives him something of a raise, and I think takes advantage of a player the rest of the league doesn’t really seem to appreciate. He’s fine as a middle of the road #2 and even if we do draft somebody to take that spot, we’ve still got no depth behind the top 3 CBs. If House signed for (2/14/6) somewhere this offseason, I wouldn’t be stunned. Quinton Dial (2/1.5/750k): We need a second BIG behind Clark and Dial is an alright role player at it. I don’t want to put the weight on Adams necessary to let him play that role rotationally, so you play somebody basically the vet minimum to do it. Ahmad Brooks (2/7/3): Brooks is undoubtedly physically declining, but I just cut Clay Matthews and the only legs I have after Perry are green and lousy. If Brooks can function for one more year as a stop gap 3rd rusher, this contract is worth it. Brett Goode: 2/2.5/1: I’m sick of messing around with Long Snappers. Bring back the guy who has been consistently good. Working Cap Number after Defensive Resignings: $24,000,000 Outside Free Agency Signings: Tyler Eifert (4/32/6): The team needs a TE. Signing Eifert means you’re not gambling on a rookie to come in and do his thing. Even if you do grab a rookie next year, it gives you options to run with. John Brown (3/9/2): I’m having a hard time finding the right contract for him and I’m certainly willing to go up with it if it means we get some speed in the receiving corps. Allison/Nelson/Adams is SLOW. At least having the option to play Brown and Janis gives you some kind of deep play speed. Prince Amukamara (3/24/7) I’m just kinda trying to spend money here. King, Amukamara, and House give you a definite identity on the boundary. You’ve certainly got the length to match up with people. House moves over onto the bench with King and Amukamara fighting it out for the #1 job. I just don’t know what to do with this money. I don’t want to spend money for the sake of spending money, and at this point I’m not seeing a lot of bodies I want available in Free Agency. There’s absolutely nothing in the pass rushers category except Demarcus Lawrence and I don’t have the stomach to give him a 100 million dollar contract. Maybe I should just spend the money to try and steal Jimmy Graham away rather than settling for Eifert, but I’m not sure Eifert isn’t a better player at this point. Working Cap number after UFA: $9,000,000 Draft: [Picture of Kareem Orr here] Trade: 1/2/3b to move up into the top 10 to select: Bradley Chubb (EDGE-NC State) Trading up in this manner is probably the most Anti-Thompson thing that could be done, but I want a stud edge rusher to team with Perry. The pass rush has been nonexistent at times this year and it’s incredibly frustrating to watch. Bradley Chubb is a stud. At 6’3-275, he’s got awesome strength for his position, he has a great punch and ability to walk an OT back into a QB. He’s got a helluva rip move that he deploys frequently to work past people. In a lot of ways he reminds me of Nick Perry, if Perry had come into the pros with a fully developed secondary move and a knowledge of who he was. 3. Maea Teuhema (OG-Southeastern Louisiana/LSU) Jahri Evans probably only has one more year as a starter. I’d like to get a long term starter behind him to get some experience rather than throwing a rookie in there. I do not believe that McCray or Murphy is a long term answer at Guard so you’ve got to track somebody down in the draft. I’ve been a big fan of Teuhema since his freshman year at LSU. He was a stand out then and I love the drive skills and overall athleticism. He should have stayed at Guard rather than everyone trying to make him a Tackle. Trade 4/5/5b to move back into the 3rd round to draft Mike Gesicki (TE-Penn State) Another big trade up, but I’ve got too many draft picks in the bottom of the draft and not enough open roster spots. TE is a position you can play two guys at, and with he and Eifert you’ve got two guys that are a mismatch. It gives you the option and when Eifert is done, you’ve got Gesicki to take over as the primary. I’ve been a big fan of Gesicki for a while and think he’s going to be a much better pro than he is a college player. He’s a crap blocker, but a great athlete and a natural pass catcher. Lining he and Eifert up in the redzone gives you two legitimate tall targets to pressure defenses. 5c. Tyquan Lewis (EDGE-OSU) I’m all good to add another set of legs to the OLB rotation. Fackrell has one sack in 303 snaps (and that number will get worse after this week). I hate to write a guy off after two seasons, but he’s offered literally nothing his entire career. He’s looking like a horrible bust. 5d. Leon Jacobs (ILB-Wisconsin) I like what Jake Ryan can do as a run defender, but I’d like another real inside linebacker that might be able to cover somebody. We need to make more big plays on defense and that’s something Jacobs was phenomenal at all year. 6. Lowell Lotulelei (NT-Utah) Quinton Dial isn’t showing me the anchor to be a backup NT. I’m not saying that Lowell Lotuleleli is going to be a Ryan Pickett type, but I’d rather have too much beef than not enough. 7. Kareem Orr (CB-Chatanooga) I know nothing about him. I want an athlete project CB. It doesn’t have to be him, but I’d like another set of legs. 2018 Depth Chart: Season Edition QB: Aaron Rodgers/Brett Hundley RB: Aaron Jones/Jamal Williams/Ty Montgomery/Davante Mays FB: Aaron Ripkowski TE: Tyler Eifert/Lance Kendricks/Mike Gesicki WR: Jordy Nelson/Davante Adams/Trevor Davis/Jeff Janis/John Brown/Gernimo Allison OT: David Bakhtiari/Bryan Bulaga/Kyle Murphy/Jason Spriggs OG: Lane Taylor/Jahri Evans/Maea Teuhema/Justin McCray OC: Corey Linsley . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NT: Kenny Clark/Quinton Dial/Lowell Lotulelei UT: Mike Daniels/Dean Lowry/Montravius Adams ILB: Blake Martinez/Jake Ryan/Josh Jones/Leon Jacobs OLB: Nick Perry/Bradley Chubb/Ahmad Brooks/Kyler Fackrell/Vince Biegel/David Talley/Chris Odom/Tyquan Lewis CB: Kevin King/Prince Amukamara/Davon House/Damarious Randall/Quinten Rollins/Josh Hawkins/Lenzy Pipkins/Kareem Orr S: Ha-Ha Clinton Dix/Morgan Burnett/Kentrell Brice/Marwin Evans K: Mason Crosby P: Justin Vogel LS: Brett Goode Cut: Trevor Davis/David Talley/Chris Odom/Lenzy Pipkins/Kareem Orr/Justin McCray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Went ahead and split this @AlexGreen#20. Way too much work into this for everyone to not enjoy it. If you don't want me to do this in the future, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 That's fine. I should add some pictures to this then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 still no valid backup qb? otherwise i like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Tyler Eifert (4/32/6): The team needs a TE. Signing Eifert means you’re not gambling on a rookie to come in and do his thing. Even if you do grab a rookie next year, it gives you options to run with. That is a lot of money for a TE whose last 2 seasons included back surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packerjmf Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 8/10 -2 for not taking the opportunity to say we're dumping Capers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargeFarva Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Not a fan (appreciate the work, though). Eifert has missed 40 games in the last four years. John Brown sucks (speedz tho). Amukamara has 1 INT in the last three years. You cut Clay cause he's old and unproductive but re-sign Brooks (who's old and unproductive). Paying that much to move up for Chubb is an extreme overreaction. There are enough needs on this roster to stay put or move back. People still underestimate how much Ted values draft picks. Cutting Matthews and Cobb and signing 3 outside FAs (that weren't cut) is 5 contracts that would count against the Packers in the comp pick formula. It's never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 18 minutes ago, LargeFarva said: Not a fan (appreciate the work, though). Eifert has missed 40 games in the last four years. John Brown sucks (speedz tho). Amukamara has 1 INT in the last three years. You cut Clay cause he's old and unproductive but re-sign Brooks (who's old and unproductive). Paying that much to move up for Chubb is an extreme overreaction. There are enough needs on this roster to stay put or move back. People still underestimate how much Ted values draft picks. Cutting Matthews and Cobb and signing 3 outside FAs (that weren't cut) is 5 contracts that would count against the Packers in the comp pick formula. It's never going to happen. I don't mean to speak for him, but isn't he throwing out what he would do, not a Ted prediction? I think as far as the Brooks old and slow thing goes, it's the numbers. Not that you can't have anyone like that on the team. Eifert scares me too BTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargeFarva Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, NormSizedMidget said: I don't mean to speak for him, but isn't he throwing out what he would do, not a Ted prediction? Yeah, that's true. Cutting Cobb and signing an outside FA is a hot take atm and I just don't see it happening. 8 minutes ago, NormSizedMidget said: I think as far as the Brooks old and slow thing goes, it's the numbers. Not that you can't have anyone like that on the team. If the choice is between Clay at $11 million and Brooks at $3.5 million I'd still probably take Clay. It's not like the Packers are hurting for cash, plus you could always try to extend Clay at a reduced cap hit. Seems like something he might go for. Could do the same thing with Cobb, Nelson, even Bulaga. There's plenty of ways to make room that don't involve cutting guys one year before they become FAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, LargeFarva said: Yeah, that's true. Cutting Cobb and signing an outside FA is a hot take atm and I just don't see it happening. If the choice is between Clay at $11 million and Brooks at $3.5 million I'd still probably take Clay. It's not like the Packers are hurting for cash, plus you could always try to extend Clay at a reduced cap hit. Seems like something he might go for. Could do the same thing with Cobb, Nelson, even Bulaga. There's plenty of ways to make room that don't involve cutting guys one year before they become FAs. Paycuts just aren't as common IMO as people talk about. Peppers was supposedly taking one for years and never did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargeFarva Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, NormSizedMidget said: Paycuts just aren't as common IMO as people talk about. Peppers was supposedly taking one for years and never did. I agree. I think Cobb and Matthews will both be back next year on their current contracts. It wouldn't necessarily be a pay cut, though. If you extended Clay for something like 3 years, $18 million with a $10 million signing bonus, he would get a raise from $11.4 million to ~$16 million (cash paid next year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I'm assuming we cut Richard Rodgers? I'm ambivalent about it but was just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Pugger said: I'm assuming we cut Richard Rodgers? I'm ambivalent about it but was just wondering. He's a free agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooters22 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Are you drafting Chubb for a 4-3 DE which we CURRENTLY don't run, which may change. Or as a OLB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooters22 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 13 minutes ago, LargeFarva said: I agree. I think Cobb and Matthews will both be back next year on their current contracts. It wouldn't necessarily be a pay cut, though. If you extended Clay for something like 3 years, $18 million with a $10 million signing bonus, he would get a raise from $11.4 million to ~$16 million (cash paid next year). Absolutely not, even with Clay having his best game of the year today do I wanna or would even consider giving him an extension at this point and time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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