turtle28 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 For me, it was 2008 when somehow Jim Zorn was made HC. Gregg Williams was Gibbs’s assistant HC & it seemed logical to everyone except Dan & Vinny that Gregg should be the next HC. I'm not sure why he didn't get the job but that whole process was a clown 🤡 show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troublez Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) For me it was getting NOTHING for Kirk Cousins, when Snyder refused to trade him for the #2 pick to K Shanahan / 49rs. Thats when I knew.... that I hated Snyder and Allen more than ISIS. Look... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_NFL_Draft Edited June 27, 2023 by Troublez 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSkinGM Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 I guess the son of a dog never broke me and the love for MY ream . I'm still here ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Hard to say. In a way you separate the horrible human being from the team. Signing Zorn to be OC before a head coach and then naming Zorn head coach was a huge start of the end for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 There was quite a few for me. 1. Changing the name. I don't want to hash this out with anyone. This is just how I feel. 2. Ruining the teams relationship with Trent Williams. 3. Refusing to trade Kirk to Kyle for what Sheehan has said multiple times now was the 3rd overall pick. Kyle wanted him that bad. 4. Finally firing Bruce only to make Ron Rivera Head coach/President/GM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 2, 2023 Author Share Posted July 2, 2023 11 hours ago, lavar703 said: There was quite a few for me. 1. Changing the name. I don't want to hash this out with anyone. This is just how I feel. 2. Ruining the teams relationship with Trent Williams. 3. Refusing to trade Kirk to Kyle for what Sheehan has said multiple times now was the 3rd overall pick. Kyle wanted him that bad. 4. Finally firing Bruce only to make Ron Rivera Head coach/President/GM. Really, it wasn’t until then? When Gibbs couldn’t win with Snyder as the owner & then Gregg Williams wasn’t hired only to have Zorn get the job I knew we’d never have a winner under Snyder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 6 hours ago, turtle28 said: Really, it wasn’t until then? When Gibbs couldn’t win with Snyder as the owner & then Gregg Williams wasn’t hired only to have Zorn get the job I knew we’d never have a winner under Snyder. Yeah. I was still in my 20s and dumb enough to believe we had a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 2, 2023 Author Share Posted July 2, 2023 4 hours ago, lavar703 said: Yeah. I was still in my 20s and dumb enough to believe we had a chance. That's right, I forgot you were like 5 years younger than me or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 39 minutes ago, turtle28 said: That's right, I forgot you were like 5 years younger than me or so. 85’. So while I’m the curmudgeon of the group now who always thinks the stuff they do is going to fail, at one point I thought we were going to win every year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 3, 2023 Author Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, lavar703 said: 85’. So while I’m the curmudgeon of the group now who always thinks the stuff they do is going to fail, at one point I thought we were going to win every year. 79’ for me, I’m 44. So when Gibbs retired again, they didn’t hire Gregg Williams & ridiculously gave Zorn the job I was 29. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend_Kenny4ever Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Ummm for me is when he brought the team, for the Cook estate. I really wish Cook would have left it in his family and maybe just maybe we wouldn't be going through this maddness that we have been going though for over 20 years or longer because it's just crazy because of what we have gone through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 The Alex Smith trade is when I gave up.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 20, 2023 Author Share Posted July 20, 2023 On 7/1/2023 at 8:56 PM, lavar703 said: There was quite a few for me. 1. Changing the name. I don't want to hash this out with anyone. This is just how I feel. 2. Ruining the teams relationship with Trent Williams. 3. Refusing to trade Kirk to Kyle for what Sheehan has said multiple times now was the 3rd overall pick. Kyle wanted him that bad. 4. Finally firing Bruce only to make Ron Rivera Head coach/President/GM. Oh, and we actually would’ve had the #2 overall pick in the 2017 draft. Sheehan is forgetting that the 49ers traded down & then took Bosa at 3, Chicago ridiculously wanted your boy Trubisky so bad that they traded up with San Fran to take your boy Trubisky at #2 so no one else could draft him. We could’ve then drafted whichever QB Grude wanted the most hopefully - Mahomes or Watson - hopefully, he wouldn’t have wanted Tubisky at 2, I can't imagine Gruden would of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mar29020 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 commanders name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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