onejayhawk Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 They have invested a lot of draft capital recently, particularly in 2022. Willie Gay - 2020 2nd L'Jarius Sneed - 2020 4th Michael Danna - 2020 5th Tershawn Warton - 2020 UDFA Nick Bolton - 2021 2nd Trent McDuffie - 2022 1st George Karlaftis - 2022 1st Bryan Cook - 2022 2nd Leo Chenal - 2022 3rd Joshua Williams - 2022 4th Jaylen Watson - 2022 7th Felix Anudike-Uzomah - 2023 1st FA signings of note 2022 - S Justin Reid 2023 - DL Charles Omenihu 2023 - LB Drue Tranquill 2023 - Mike Edwards Chris Jones is the only real holdover from the 2019 SB team, but that is a hell of a nice way to start. DL: Jones, Karlaftis, Omenihu, Danna, Wharton, FAU LB: Gay, Bolton, Tranquill, Chenal S: Reid, Cook, Edwards CB: Sneed, McDuffie, Willams, Watson Other than Jones, the old man in this group is Drue Tranquill at 27. They are young, but other than the newbies, every one of these players has had playoff success. Just how good can they be in 2023? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duluther Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Mahomes is a player. These defensive guys are players, too. I don’t get all the “deserve” “I feel sorry for” and “worthy” sentiments I hear and only hear for QB’s. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Yeah, I don’t know what “a defense worthy of Mahomes” even means. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 They have a good defense. One with a good bit of young ascending talent too. Mahomes is on a different level, so no, the defense isn’t up to par. The defense is good enough with Mahomes to win multiple championships, if that’s what you mean. If Mahomes somehow regressed to the mean, no. The Chiefs would win 9-10 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 3 hours ago, BetterCallSaul said: They have a good defense. One with a good bit of young ascending talent too. Mahomes is on a different level, so no, the defense isn’t up to par. The defense is good enough with Mahomes to win multiple championships, if that’s what you mean. If Mahomes somehow regressed to the mean, no. The Chiefs would win 9-10 games. What do you mean by regress to the mean? Do you mean a Dereck Carr, Ryan Tannehill, Dak Prescott level? If so, why only 9-10 games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 We’renotworthy.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightime Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 He won 2 Super Bowls with his defenses If by “worthy of” you mean equal to, definitely not. We’d have elite offenses and defenses every year if that were the case But the defense should only improve on 2022, can’t wait till September Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 8 hours ago, onejayhawk said: What do you mean by regress to the mean? Do you mean a Dereck Carr, Ryan Tannehill, Dak Prescott level? If so, why only 9-10 games? Because your offense would be pretty bleh. Yes, a middling QB. Obviously not gonna happen, but KC would be out of the title contender window without Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetjuice Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 14 hours ago, Daniel said: Yeah, I don’t know what “a defense worthy of Mahomes” even means. He just want his beak wet. Yes @onejayhawk the Chiefs have a good defense. What even is the point of this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, BetterCallSaul said: Because your offense would be pretty bleh. Yes, a middling QB. Obviously not gonna happen, but KC would be out of the title contender window without Mahomes. Then you overshot your mark. Out of title contention can still be 11-12 wins. A team with 9-10 wins is lucky to make the playoffs. I think you underestimate the KC offense with an average QB. Mahomes is the juice that makes it #1 but with any competent QB it's still top 10. Look where it was before Mahomes with Alex Smith at QB. 25 minutes ago, jetjuice said: He just want his beak wet. Yes @onejayhawk the Chiefs have a good defense. What even is the point of this thread? That does not really answer the question. Will the defense be at least comparable to the offense? Last season the offense was elite and the defense was a bit above average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoboRocket Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 15 hours ago, Duluther said: Mahomes is a player. These defensive guys are players, too. I don’t get all the “deserve” “I feel sorry for” and “worthy” sentiments I hear and only hear for QB’s. Cardinals fans use that term for WR, DE, and S, too. Two of those guys are now retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, onejayhawk said: Will the defense be at least comparable to the offense? Other thread ideas: (1) Can the Buffalo defense throw a ball as far as Josh Allen? (2) Is J.K. Dobbins an above-average run blocker? (Poll) (3) What draft picks would the Rams have traded for Stetson Bennett if he was on the Lions? (4) Will NFL color commentators bring up mayonnaise coffee in every nationally-televised Titans game? (Poll) (5) Who wins the NFC South? (No poll) 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, onejayhawk said: Then you overshot your mark. No. 1 hour ago, onejayhawk said: Out of title contention can still be 11-12 wins. A team with 9-10 wins is lucky to make the playoffs. Yeah. Which is where KC would be without a good QB. As would most NFL teams. It’s not a shot at your team dude. 1 hour ago, onejayhawk said: I think you underestimate the KC offense with an average QB. Mahomes is the juice that makes it #1 but with any competent QB it's still top 10. Look where it was before Mahomes with Alex Smith at QB. Alex Smith had Tyreek Hill to play with. It makes any QB look competent. But I’m not gonna argue with the guy who made this thread to pimp his team some more and argue with anyone who disagrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 52 minutes ago, BetterCallSaul said: Yeah. Which is where KC would be without a good QB. As would most NFL teams. It’s not a shot at your team dude. If you mean 11-12 wins, OK. If not, then we disagree. 52 minutes ago, BetterCallSaul said: Alex Smith had Tyreek Hill to play with. It makes any QB look competent. But I’m not gonna argue with the guy who made this thread to pimp his team some more and argue with anyone who disagrees. Tyreek was still a punt and kick returner in 2016. He was a 1000-yard receiver in 2017 but his breakout season as WR was 2018 with Mahomes. The offense improved from #5 to #1 that year and Mahomes was MVP. That said, the offense was already top 5 before Mahomes took over. Give Reid, Kelce and the OL more credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, NudeTayne said: Other thread ideas: (1) Can the Buffalo defense throw a ball as far as Josh Allen? (2) Is J.K. Dobbins an above-average run blocker? (Poll) (3) What draft picks would the Rams have traded for Stetson Bennett if he was on the Lions? (4) Will NFL color commentators bring up mayonnaise coffee in every nationally-televised Titans game? (Poll) (5) Who wins the NFC South? (No poll) Hey now, this would actually be a good thread. Don't go lumping it in with that trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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