Kathouse Sticks Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 There are other factors, as well: The Browns are LAST in total takeaways with 11. We are 24th in sacks with 26. So, yes, I would say we have some defensive work to do. And this isn't a defensive stat, but it is one that costs us dearly in both points and field position. We are 13/18 in FG attempts for a 72.2%- that's good for 29th in the league. So even though this is not a defensive stat, when we miss a FG, and the other team gets it at the spot, that is just a horrible position to put your defense in. Oh, and the guy who the Browns cut in order to keep Gonzalez? Cody Parkey? He's only 18/19 in FG attempts for a 94.7%-tied for third in the league. I'd like to know who's decision it was to make that move, Mr. Control-of-the-53-Man- Roster Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathouse Sticks Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, duke2056 said: Then we just disagree. I think our defense is good right NOW, and about to get a lot better both with additions and also an improved offense. Yes, I think we disagree. But that's cool. We're allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketheadsdad Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 16 hours ago, freakygeniuskid said: It's from a PFF tweet so I would assume not. They usually filter out noise like that. I guess when you become a mod, they confiscate these. Here's a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Kathouse Sticks said: There are other factors, as well: The Browns are LAST in total takeaways with 11. We are 24th in sacks with 26. So, yes, I would say we have some defensive work to do. And this isn't a defensive stat, but it is one that costs us dearly in both points and field position. We are 13/18 in FG attempts for a 72.2%- that's good for 29th in the league. So even though this is not a defensive stat, when we miss a FG, and the other team gets it at the spot, that is just a horrible position to put your defense in. Oh, and the guy who the Browns cut in order to keep Gonzalez? Cody Parkey? He's only 18/19 in FG attempts for a 94.7%-tied for third in the league. I'd like to know who's decision it was to make that move, Mr. Control-of-the-53-Man- Roster Brown. you forgot our opponents 3rd down conversion rate against us, but I am in 100% agreement with this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastercheddaar Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 hours ago, duke2056 said: Then we just disagree. I think our defense is good right NOW, and about to get a lot better both with additions and also an improved offense. Our defense is GOOD right now, AND we have 2 big pieces on the IR. I'm thinking we add a CB and maybe a mid/late round DB and we will be GREAT! If we get a decent offense led by a top 18-12 QB in the league I know we could win games. This draft and FA season is going to be key for any future success of this team. That is all Mastercheddaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 man, i used to be a consistency guy but its pretty obvious this dude just sucks as a coach gotta be some linebacker coach out there whos better than this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke2056 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Kathouse Sticks said: There are other factors, as well: The Browns are LAST in total takeaways with 11. We are 24th in sacks with 26. So, yes, I would say we have some defensive work to do. And this isn't a defensive stat, but it is one that costs us dearly in both points and field position. We are 13/18 in FG attempts for a 72.2%- that's good for 29th in the league. So even though this is not a defensive stat, when we miss a FG, and the other team gets it at the spot, that is just a horrible position to put your defense in. Oh, and the guy who the Browns cut in order to keep Gonzalez? Cody Parkey? He's only 18/19 in FG attempts for a 94.7%-tied for third in the league. I'd like to know who's decision it was to make that move, Mr. Control-of-the-53-Man- Roster Brown. Why would teams bother to be aggressive enough against us to even put themselves in a position to throw INTs, get sacked, or try and stretch out for that extra yard? There is a reason the majority of takeaways happen when teams have the lead, something we very rarely have had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastercheddaar Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 18 hours ago, mistakey said: What do you expect him to say about a young rookie QB? If he said he has no confidence in his starter it would be like a dad yelling at his kid: "Son, I don't like you and you made your mother and I resent eachother!" That would have been cruel even by my standards. That is all mastercheddaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, Mastercheddaar said: What do you expect him to say about a young rookie QB? If he said he has no confidence in his starter it would be like a dad yelling at his kid: "Son, I don't like you and you made your mother and I resent eachother!" That would have been cruel even by my standards. That is all mastercheddaar start cody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big poppa pump Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Some more defensive stats that point to us being very average Near the bottom in Sacks, Ints, and Points per game. I get that we have improved our run defense I get that the offense is so bad that if affects our defense but....let's not act like this D is more than just middle of the pack in the NFL. If the offense makes significant improvements If we fill in a few holes on D If we see some better schemes This team has the makings of getting a lot better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Johnson Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, big poppa pump said: Some more defensive stats that point to us being very average Near the bottom in Sacks, Ints, and Points per game. I get that we have improved our run defense I get that the offense is so bad that if affects our defense but....let's not act like this D is more than just middle of the pack in the NFL. If the offense makes significant improvements If we fill in a few holes on D If we see some better schemes This team has the makings of getting a lot better I'm not that high on our defense either. I don't think teams plan to attack us on the ground, they run against us because the score dictates it. Our defensive line is stout and our linebackers are decent, it's in some ways legit. But I think offenses pretty much take whatever they want 5-15 yards downfield and most of their plan heading into the game is to use the run to keep our rush somewhat modest or preserve a lead. I don't think it's thrown a wrench in anything, even run reliant teams, want to do against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoGrahamsGhost Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, big poppa pump said: Some more defensive stats that point to us being very average Near the bottom in Sacks, Ints, and Points per game. I get that we have improved our run defense I get that the offense is so bad that if affects our defense but....let's not act like this D is more than just middle of the pack in the NFL. If the offense makes significant improvements If we fill in a few holes on D If we see some better schemes This team has the makings of getting a lot better The turnover ratio is killing this team. We are -25 the next closest team is -15 and as a team we only have 11 takeaways all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, OttoGrahamsGhost said: The turnover ratio is killing this team. We are -25 the next closest team is -15 and as a team we only have 11 takeaways all year. Yeah we've given up 111 points off of turnovers which is about 8 per game. The defense could have stopped or lessened the blow on most of those but it's really hard to accurately judge a defense given that disadvantage. They aren't great and the scheme is unlikable but there is talent there and it isn't nearly as concerning as the offense going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 4 hours ago, Kathouse Sticks said: Um, we are 22nd in the league in allowing 3rd down conversions- 40.9%. So, while we may be stout in some facets of defending the run, when it matters, we're below average. Our defense still has a ways to go. Now granted, our offense is giving them absolutely no help, but we're not exactly talking about the 85 Bears here. How do we know the 3rd down conversion rate is a big factor in the run? Teams don’t run all that much because they know they can hit the short stuff. Look at the green bay game, they barely attacked down field. Opposing teams have ran the ball 55x on 3rd down compared to 132x passing the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathouse Sticks Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 51 minutes ago, buno67 said: How do we know the 3rd down conversion rate is a big factor in the run? Teams don’t run all that much because they know they can hit the short stuff. Look at the green bay game, they barely attacked down field. Opposing teams have ran the ball 55x on 3rd down compared to 132x passing the ball I don't know that at all. My point was that while we may be okay against the run, when it really matters, on third down, we are failing almost 41% of the time and letting the other team extend drives. As a defense, we have to get better. That is what I was trying to say. I don't understand how we can look at it and say, we have a good defense. Our defense has played okay at times, but overall, still not very good. There is a reason we are 0-14, and the defense is part of it. It is. Watch the games. The tape doesn't lie. Even Buerlein and Tasker were talking about the "easy" 7 yard pass that Flacco was able to complete for a first down because our DBs were playing 10 yards off the receiver on a 3rd and 4. Now does that sound like a good defense to anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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