SmittyBacall Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 2 hours ago, AkronsWitness said: Burrows contract is justifiable, but its likely he just opened the door and booted Tee Higgins off the airplane in the process. Not sure yet. We'll see what happens these next few days. We certainly still have the money to go that route if the contract is reasonable. 2 hours ago, AkronsWitness said: You turn it into the Burrow/Chase show and things might get bumpy. I think last night was a good example of needing more than one superstar receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, SmittyBacall said: I think last night was a good example of needing more than one superstar receiver. Well, you can have multiple, but having all 3 (QB and 2 pass catchers) all on mega deals is not doable in the NFL. You need at least one of them (preferably the QB) on a rookie contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Well, you can have multiple, but having all 3 (QB and 2 pass catchers) all on mega deals is not doable in the NFL Not doable according to who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 The good news for DEN fans is that we only need Josh Allen & Dak to renegotiate their deals, and 5 more QB's get extended to above 45M AAV, and Russ' deal will look not terrible. 😮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 2 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Joe Burrow: Entire resume is centered around a Superbowl loss and beating Mahomes twice Has the best WR's in the NFL High draft pick pedigree Worth $270M Jared Goff: Same resume as Burrow - has beaten Mahomes twice and also lost a Superbowl Does not have the best WR's in the NFL High draft pick pedigree Worth $27M And they had pretty identical stats last year, too. Hmmmm, makes you think! This reads like a bad Twitter post. @AFlaccoSeagulls I know you're better than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, SmittyBacall said: Not doable according to who? I mean, I guess if the rest of your roster is rookies or min-vets sure. 1 minute ago, SmittyBacall said: This reads like a bad Twitter post. @AFlaccoSeagulls I know you're better than this. I'm really not. I'm on my FULL anti-Joe Burrow phase this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: I'm on my FULL anti-Joe Burrow phase this year! I'm guessing this is trauma from too many Home Alone viewings as a child? I'd think you'd very anti-Derek Carr too. Edited September 8, 2023 by Broncofan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, SmittyBacall said: Not sure yet. We'll see what happens these next few days. We certainly still have the money to go that route if the contract is reasonable. I think last night was a good example of needing more than one superstar receiver. Yeap thats what I was thinking is I hope the Bengals were watching that Cheifs game last night as a lesson lol Also a team that should be a lesson is the Rams who seemingly paid 3-4 star players big contracts and had to strip down the rest of their roster to compensate. They couldn't pay Von Miller enough, they couldn't resign Leonard Floyd, OBJ left because they couldn't meet his asking price, they had to trade Jalen Ramsey for pennies just to get his contract off the books, ect, ect. All because they paid Stafford/Donald/Kupp already. I think another WR starving team (maybe the Texans?) are going to offer a guy like Higgins WR1 money and the Bengals will have to try and match. It would probably be in their best interest to let him walk and not have 100M+ every year tied up in a QB + 2WRs Edited September 8, 2023 by AkronsWitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, Broncofan said: I'm guessing this is trauma from too many Home Alone viewings as a child? I'd think you'd very anti-Derek Carr too. I just hate seeing other QB's in the AFCN be successful, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: I mean, I guess if the rest of your roster is rookies or min-vets sure. NFL teams have enough cap to pay a QB and 2 superstars. What position those superstars play doesn't matter. All it means is you have to save money elsewhere. If the Bengals had Burrow and prime Geno Atkins to pay this offseason, plus Chase next year, no one would be saying "you can't do that", but when it's two receivers everyone loses their minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 minute ago, SmittyBacall said: NFL teams have enough cap to pay a QB and 2 superstars. What position those superstars play doesn't matter. All it means is you have to save money elsewhere. If the Bengals had Burrow and prime Geno Atkins to pay this offseason, plus Chase next year, no one would be saying "you can't do that", but when it's two receivers everyone loses their minds. Is there actually an example of a team paying a QB and 2 pass catchers elite money? I mean I know teams pay a QB and 2 superstars, but 2 pass catchers and a QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Is there actually an example of a team paying a QB and 2 pass catchers elite money? I mean I know teams pay a QB and 2 superstars, but 2 pass catchers and a QB? My point is, if the money is the same... I'm sure the Chiefs were missing Tyreek last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, SmittyBacall said: My point is, if the money is the same... I'm sure the Chiefs were missing Tyreek last night. I think teams don't generally throw 75% of their cap to one side of the ball. You generally have a superstar on defense you need to pay as well, and having all of your money tied up on offense is...weird. I mean, the last team I can think that did something like this was Manning/Harrison/Wayne but even then they still had Mathis/Freeney on defense as well. Idk. In the modern NFL I don't know of any teams that have paid 3 offensive players elite money. Edited September 8, 2023 by AFlaccoSeagulls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Is there actually an example of a team paying a QB and 2 pass catchers elite money? I mean I know teams pay a QB and 2 superstars, but 2 pass catchers and a QB? I'm not sure how much $ they got but only thing that comes to mind is maybe Rodgers/Nelson/Cobb when Nelson and Cobb were both viewed as like top 30ish receivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ray Reed said: I'm not sure how much $ they got but only thing that comes to mind is maybe Rodgers/Nelson/Cobb when Nelson and Cobb were both viewed as like top 30ish receivers? I'm not going to act like I know enough about the cap to talk about it, but here's a relevant quick read: Quote Since Higgins is now in the forefront, let's make something abundantly clear. If the Bengals want to extend Tee Higgins, they can do it. What matters is how badly they want to do so. What Burrow's team accomplished Thursday evening has absolutely no bearing on what the Bengals can and can't do with Higgins, or with Ja'Marr Chase for that matter in a year's time. A deal that featured $50 million per year with $200 guaranteed, $45 million per year with $100 million guaranteed, or whatever constituted a "team-friendly" contract in today's climate would not have made a real difference. Yes, giving out a huge sum of cash and committing large future cap numbers to one player limits how much is left for the rest of the team, but like it ended up becoming with Burrow, it's all about prioritization. The Bengals knew they had to prioritize their franchise quarterback because they had no other choice. They can also prioritize keeping Higgins (and Chase) as well without exceeding the salary cap. This becomes even more possible considering the timeline of their extensions. Burrow's large cap hits likely won't occur until a few years down the road. That means they'll have a window to fit large numbers for Higgins starting next year, and by the time Chase's behemoth cap hits come into the picture, the salary cap will have already ballooned much larger than what it is now. On top of this, the composition of the team will have already changed, and fewer massive deals will be on their books anyways. That part is simply inevitable regardless of what happens with the receivers. Does prioritizing Higgins and Chase mean they'll have to eventually go light elsewhere? Yes. A hard-cap sport will always provide limits at some point. The Bengals have not-so-secretly been working ahead of this by focusing the last two draft classes around the defense. Their top three picks over the last two drafts have all been in the secondary and defensive line. They locked in linebackers Germaine Pratt and Logan Wilson on manageable deals as well. Most of their spending on the current offensive line is behind them. Everything they've done since Burrow and his receivers provided proof of concept has led to the front office saving space for the trio. There's simply no reality in which they projected Burrow's deal, agreed to it, and came to the conclusion that affording Higgins and Chase would be impossible. Specifically with Higgins, if they come to accept his asking price is higher than they're willing to go, or they won't budge on guaranteeing salaries, that's a different story. But it's also their choice to stand against those things. Burrow didn't tie their hands together by simply earning what was rightfully his. What the Bengals do now to keep their core together and continuing to supplement Burrow with a supporting cast is entirely up to their own conviction and willingness. And they know it. https://atozsports.com/cincinnati/bengals-news-joe-burrow-contract-salary-cap-tee-higgins-ja-marr-chase/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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