cannondale Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just now, HorizontoZenith said: You're saying that all 7.5 of his sacks this year have come from him being the guy who was schemed open in pass rushing situations? Prove it and I'll accept it. Otherwise, I don't believe it. He also has big games against bad OL's - like the rest of our 'playmakers' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, SpeightTheVillain said: First of all Hyde is playing a completely different position. Is he a better safety then Burnett or Ha-Ha. I don't know what's going on with Ha-Ha but the answer is no. So if you want to pay that much for a third safety then OK. Where did I say anything about paying? I'm not complaining that they left - again, it was pretty much agreed by everyone that it was the best move. I'm complaining that they are good players that didn't look that great here, possibly due to the defensive scheme. I distinctly remember the general feeling about our secondary before Hayward left was that we had a bunch of good players but no difference makers other than Shields. Now 2 of those players are turning out to be difference makers in a different team. Maybe the reason we feel like we have no talent on defense is that said talent is too restrained or confused and thus is not able to shine? Again, I feel like I say this every other post, but I'm not a football savvy guy by any means. I'm just trying to apply common sense to the facts I've got but I could evidently be way off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeightTheVillain Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 minute ago, HorizontoZenith said: You're saying that all 7.5 of his sacks this year have come from him being the guy who was schemed open in pass rushing situations? Prove it and I'll accept it. Otherwise, I don't believe it. Just use your eyes man. He is not an every down pass rusher anymore. I'm not saying get rid of him, but we need more options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I'm ready to bring Rodgers home and assimilate the rest of our organization as members of the Cleveland Browns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, incognito_man said: this too. letting those guys go can't be looked at in a vacuum. Unless TT is overrated because his players might get hurt. Again, letting them go is NOT my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 No way I bring Rodgers back to a meaningless mess. That said, I think his progress has been exaggerated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Packer_ESP said: Now 2 of those players are turning out to be difference makers in a different team. Maybe the reason we feel like we have no talent on defense is that said talent is too restrained or confused and thus is not able to shine? They have competent DCs. We don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: I'm ready to bring Rodgers home and assimilate the rest of our organization as members of the Cleveland Browns? let's also bring Kenny Clark, Blake Martinez and Bakhtiari (and steal John Dorsey while we're there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 I don't understand how an offensive coaching staff insists that quick throws or Pitches to cobb on the outside, PA bootlegs to Kendricks, and screens to cobb... all plays we are yet to execute successfully... are more effective than zone read with Williams/Jones. This team has the fewest explosive plays with Hundley under center, and we don't call our best run and best play even at the same rate as other runs, let alone as our signature/foundational play. 60% of the offense should come off of a shotgun/pistol action with a zone read like mesh point between Hundo and the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just now, Packer_ESP said: Again, letting them go is NOT my point. I know. I wasn't referring to you. Moreso the general view (literally in NFL Gen on here) about those moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just now, incognito_man said: let's also bring Kenny Clark, Blake Martinez and Bakhtiari (and steal John Dorsey while we're there). I'll allow all of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just now, SpeightTheVillain said: Just use your eyes man. He is not an every down pass rusher anymore. I'm not saying get rid of him, but we need more options I've never said he's an every down pass rusher, but he's clearly one of the most talented players on our team and people act like he can't play special teams anymore when that's clearly not the case. I have used my eyes, and I've seen him make more plays for us this year than almost anybody else we have. The complaints about him are stupid considering what else we have as pass rushers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just now, skibrett15 said: I don't understand how an offensive coaching staff insists that quick throws or Pitches to cobb on the outside, PA bootlegs to Kendricks, and screens to cobb... all plays we are yet to execute successfully... are more effective than zone read with Williams/Jones. This team has the fewest explosive plays with Hundley under center, and we don't call our best run and best play even at the same rate as other runs, let alone as our signature/foundational play. 60% of the offense should come off of a shotgun/pistol action with a zone read like mesh point between Hundo and the back. gotta save something for the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Mike McCarthy logic: 3rd&1 - 20 Yard Pass (into coverage) 3rd&20 - 1 Yard dump off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just now, Slinky said: Mike McCarthy logic: 3rd&1 - 20 Yard Pass (into coverage) 3rd&20 - 1 Yard dump off Gotta catch them off guard Or maybe he has a really bad stream and is calling plays with a 30 second delay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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