Packerraymond Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, StatKing said: He's been alright. I think it's safe to say at this point he isn't a bust. I just dont see anything special about him so far. Hopefully I'm wrong but everything so far tells me he's more of a Derek Carr than a Patrick Mahomes. 1st in the league in the two major bulk stats, TD and QBR, 1st in the league in the most important analytical metrics, EPA and AY/A. Without his #1 WR for both games, #2 WR for most of 1 game, and his LT and RB for a game. "He's alright." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share Posted September 18, 2023 Rodgers had 5 games of sub 60 percent accuracy his first year. In two of those games he attempted 26 and 27 passes. He threw 6 TDs to 7 INTs. Ending stats were fine though, 63 percent accuracy, 28 TDs, 13 picks. Love just needs a few spike games in terms of completions to level that off. Also, you never know how these players will develop. Josh Allen, who also had accuracy concerns coming out, had years of 52.8 and 58.8 completion percentage before jumping to 69.2 in his third year as a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, {Family Ghost} said: I think accuracy is a bit of a hurdle he needs to cross, but in the presser today MLF laid the blame on Doubs on a late Love overthrow. I think the routes aren't all being run to perfection out there. Thats kind of an important hurdle. The first down on our first drive of the 4th quarter he tried throwing it to Reed, I think, and Doubs was wide open on the other side of the field. I think it's very telling how Lafleur tries to keep him out of pure passing situations. Its been a small sample size so far but he's gotta do better when everyone knows he's gotta throw the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: 1st in the league in the two major bulk stats, TD and QBR, 1st in the league in the most important analytical metrics, EPA and AY/A. Without his #1 WR for both games, #2 WR for most of 1 game, and his LT and RB for a game. "He's alright." i genuinely feel bad you can't ignore posters 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, incognito_man said: This is interesting data. Now I'm curious how young Rodgers looked across these splits (and other young QBs generally) Too small a sample on Love. Take out just one game and Love is 4/5 for 71 yards in the 4th Q and he should have two opening drives that resulted in points (something Rodgers only did once last year). The biggest issues I've seen are inaccurate deep balls and then issues with young receivers reading the wrong coverage on choice routes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Striker said: Rodgers had 5 games of sub 60 percent accuracy his first year. In two of those games he attempted 26 and 27 passes. He threw 6 TDs to 7 INTs. Ending stats were fine though, 63 percent accuracy, 28 TDs, 13 picks. Love just needs a few spike games in terms of completions to level that off. Also, you never know how these players will develop. Josh Allen, who also had accuracy concerns coming out, had years of 52.8 and 58.8 completion percentage before jumping to 69.2 in his third year as a starter. Getting Watson back will open up some throws for him as well and improve that. Ditto on getting Jones AND Watson back (hopefully together). I have a grand total of zero concerns about Love, leading the league already, with a VERY young group of pass catchers at his disposal. Packer fans would be the only fanbase not collectively ridiculously excited about a young QB who is playing like he is. Of course, a significant percent of "Packer" fans are secretly rooting for Love to fail and their opinions are total trash. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: 1st in the league in the two major bulk stats, TD and QBR, 1st in the league in the most important analytical metrics, EPA and AY/A. Without his #1 WR for both games, #2 WR for most of 1 game, and his LT and RB for a game. "He's alright." His numbers in the 4th quarter looked real good yesterday. You know the quarter where good QBs put middling teams like the Falcons away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 minute ago, StatKing said: His numbers in the 4th quarter looked real good yesterday. You know the quarter where good QBs put middling teams like the Falcons away. Good thing we got rid of 12 then!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Just now, Packerraymond said: Good thing we got rid of 12 then!! Let me know when Love wins a super Bowl and a couple MVPs before we start comparing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 minute ago, StatKing said: Let me know when Love wins a super Bowl and a couple MVPs before we start comparing. The goal posts keep changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Just now, Packerraymond said: The goal posts keep changing. You guys set the standard not me. I wasn't the one declaring him a top 10 QB after his first pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Just now, StatKing said: You guys set the standard not me. I wasn't the one declaring him a top 10 QB after his first pass. Yet he's been a top 10 QB in the league this year, so shouldn't those who said that get a pat on the back? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Sammich Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 35 minutes ago, StatKing said: I'm going to say it once last time because apparently it's hard for Packers fans to comprehend. The year is 2023, not 2008. Aaron Rodgers career has no relevance to Jordan Loves. All you guys are doing is making excuses. The guy wasn't accurate in college and so far he's struggled with accuracy in the pros. I want the guy to be good but being critical doesn't make me a troll or hater. Love was rolling at 14 for 19 until they needed to start pressing late in the game and the running game collapsed. You're looking for reasons to hate on a guy who's first in the NFL in plenty of statistical categories. Even the last throw in the middle of the field, which wasn't caught, was an absolute dime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 If the reality is that Bakh just isn't getting back to being a reliable presence at LT, I'm kind of fine with plugging in the young guys and letting this season play out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, incognito_man said: This is interesting data. Now I'm curious how young Rodgers looked across these splits (and other young QBs generally) It's worth keeping an eye on at the least. We don't want slow starts and poor finishes to become habit. And before people say I want him to fail, I don't. He's been very calm and in control and hasnt turned the ball over. He's been very good. He hasn't been great yet imo. Great finds a way to get in range for one last FG attempt at the end against the ATL defense even missing all those offensive pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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