Who do you want to see as our next HC and GM?

[Jeremy408]

3 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

And tbh I think AP can succeed, especially if he can keep PG in the fold. But hiring the right OC is going to be huge for him, just like Dan Campbell hiring Ben Johnson has been super key for his success. I think AP is pretty comparable to DC.

Something that's underrated in this is I actually think that the Raiders will is there an intriguing destination or offensive coordinators looking to be head coaches. Do you have some key pieces to where if they draft a quarterback and you show that you can develop that quarterback with a lot of these key pieces around him you're more likely to be a head coach because the Raiders will be a juggernaut if that happens. I think you have to pay PG a little extra as a defensive coordinator to keep him around but I think AP brings the overall mentality & culture it takes to beat the better teams in this league

[Jeremy408]

Just now, NYRaider said:

But there's definitely a reason why teams currently covet offensive minded head coaches after seeing guys like Shannahan, McDaniel, Siranni, etc. And we've seen the last 8 Super Bowls feature almost all offensive minded head coaches.

 Again there are a bunch of underlying factors that would have to be ignored in order to just simply make that case. For one there's the Shanahan example I gave with the Niners being a supreme defensive unit during all of those years.

You would have to also look at the fact that McDaniel inherited a defense that he didn't build and a team that went 9-7 before he was hired.

Sirianni as I mentioned before had a team that was leading the NFL in sacks by an extremely large margin.  As a matter fact the reason why the Eagles haven't been as good this year is because they are not as good on defense as they were last year that has nothing to do with their offense. 

[NYRaider]

4 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said:

 Again there are a bunch of underlying factors that would have to be ignored in order to just simply make that case. For one there's the Shanahan example I gave with the Niners being a supreme defensive unit during all of those years.

You would have to also look at the fact that McDaniel inherited a defense that he didn't build and a team that went 9-7 before he was hired.

Sirianni as I mentioned before had a team that was leading the NFL in sacks by an extremely large margin.  As a matter fact the reason why the Eagles haven't been as good this year is because they are not as good on defense as they were last year that has nothing to do with their offense. 

It's because QB is the most important position and we've seen elite offensive head coaches turn young QBs into studs

[RaidersAreOne]

I very well can see it being Champ and Pierce. 

I'd be surprised if it's not tbh. 

[big_palooka]

18 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said:

I very well can see it being Champ and Pierce. 

I'd be surprised if it's not tbh. 

Baring a collapse in these last 2 games, certainly trending that way. 

 

[NYRaider]

23 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said:

I very well can see it being Champ and Pierce. 

I'd be surprised if it's not tbh. 

We still have to interview other candidates per NFL rules, will be interesting to see how it goes.

[Rolni]

I think the team will continue to leave it all on the field for AP and I think we have a pretty good chance to win at least 1 of the following 2 games and I can't really see a blowout defeat in the crystal ball right now...

That would mean Champ and AP to get the permanent jobs.

They then absolutely need to keep PG around as DC. I can see them giving him the ***.HC label.

The next step is to find the OC.

While I think Bo had shown some progress and he has some good playcalls and the run game got better since he took over, I would still be much more relaxed if we could hire a more experienced OC, even if just for a year or two...Bo could learn and develope behind a new OC as QB coach or passing/running game coordinator or something...

I can't really see that a guy like Frank Smith joining us as OC, just to step out of McDaniel's shadow...I think he will have HC opportunities as soon as this offseason and then if not, he could still have an easier path with Miami, then with us...obviously we can't say for sure and he has some Raiders and Kelly conncetions, but I would highly doubt we can get him or a guy like him...

 

There could be a situation where we stick with Bo and bring in solid veteran O staff members to help him develope as an OC, as a playcaller.

Or obviously we could try to get a new OC and either keep Bo as QB coach or let him walk, let the new OC build his own staff...

I think our WR, TE, RB and OL coaches did a solid job so far, so I would't want to tear apart the hole O staff, just to have a new one. We should try to upgrade where we can, but shouldn't let everyone walk just because they were brought in by JMD...PG and AP was also brought in by the previous regime...

 

Greg Roman was already mentioned in another thread who could be an interesting OC candidate for us.
He is a proven OC, who worked on his own before, he has connections to fill out a staff and he worked successfully with mobile QBs before. We could have the chance to trade for or to draft a mobile QB during the upcoming offseason, so this could actually work IMO.

His run based O philosophy could also sit well with AP.

He wouldn't be a threat to leave us soon for a HC gig, even if our O is doing good.

 

Ken Dorsey could be another target IMO. He was thrown under the bus in Buffalo. At least that was my impression, I haven't watched them enough before or after his firing to know, whether he was really the issue there...

Kellen Moore, Thomas Brown and Eric Bienemy will be on the market most probably, but neither strike me as home run hires...

There are two guys who kinda interesting to me on the Rams staff.
Zac Robinson is their pass game coordinator/QB coach and work under McVay since 2019.

The other one is Jake Peetz, who also has some Raiders ties too
He is now the pass game specialist for the Rams, was LSU's OC in 2021 and was our QB coach under JDR, he worked with Carr, when he seemed like an up and coming fr.QB...

Kevin Patullo from the Eagles or Jerrod Johnson from the Texans could also be in the mix, like many others...I don't know enough about these guys to really speculate...

 

[RaidersForever]

     I'm still on the Frank-Reich-for-OC train. I think he got shafted by two terrible owners in a row, and could use a team to rebound with where he could focus on the offense and not the entire team as a whole.

     Kelly as GM

     Pierce as HC

     Graham as DC

     Reich as OC/Assistant HC

     Hardegree as QB coach/Assistant OC

     The defense is clearly trending up under Graham/Pierce, it's the offense that needs help. We could hand Reich (the anti-McDaniels in almost every way) the reigns, having Hardegree learn under him, and then have Bo take over whenever Reich moves on.

[Jeremy408]

10 minutes ago, RaidersForever said:

     I'm still on the Frank-Reich-for-OC train. I think he got shafted by two terrible owners in a row, and could use a team to rebound with where he could focus on the offense and not the entire team as a whole.

     Kelly as GM

     Pierce as HC

     Graham as DC

     Reich as OC/Assistant HC

     Hardegree as QB coach/Assistant OC

     The defense is clearly trending up under Graham/Pierce, it's the offense that needs help. We could hand Reich (the anti-McDaniels in almost every way) the reigns, having Hardegree learn under him, and then have Bo take over whenever Reich moves on.

Id be cool with reich as an OC. That's essentially going to be the type of OC. We need to target the ones that failed his head coaches already so they won't get looked at for that. Gase or potentially Arthur smith if he gets fired are also solid options. 

[RaidersAreOne]

Absolutely do not want Bo back. 

[big_palooka]

12 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said:

Absolutely do not want Bo back. 

This is my biggest fear with hiring AP is that he keeps JMDs group together to some degree with Bo as the OC. 

[NickButera]

4 minutes ago, big_palooka said:

This is my biggest fear with hiring AP is that he keeps JMDs group together to some degree with Bo as the OC. 

Mine as well. I think AP has earned another year. Give him a short term contract and see how he does. However, like you alluded to, is he going to be able to build a staff? Who is he going to able to attract to come here over other teams when our QB situation is shambles. 

[NYRaider]

3 minutes ago, big_palooka said:

This is my biggest fear with hiring AP is that he keeps JMDs group together to some degree with Bo as the OC. 

 

17 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said:

Absolutely do not want Bo back. 

I think that's my biggest concern with retaining AP, does he keep the offensive staff intact?

To be be honest I genuinely think that he'll bring Bo back as his OC. They're reportedly super close friends, IIRC AP hand picked him and they've been super tight over the last two seasons. I doubt that AP has a ton of connections to offensive coaches around the league. And if we win out I could see them just saying screw it, lets run it back.

But as I've highlighted before, Bo has ruined the careers of QBs with every organization he has been with.

Jay Cutler - Got traded

Ryan Tannehill - Got traded

Sam Darnold - Got traded

Mac Jones - Will be cut or traded this off-season

Derek Carr - Got cut

Jimmy G - Will be cut or traded this off-season

He has arguably the worst track record of QB development of any coach in the NFL and that's probably who we're going to keep as the main guy developing a QB that we take in the first round.

[NYRaider]

1 minute ago, NickButera said:

Mine as well. I think AP has earned another year. Give him a short term contract and see how he does. However, like you alluded to, is he going to be able to build a staff? Who is he going to able to attract to come here over other teams when our QB situation is shambles. 

Another issue is that you can't hire OC's in lateral moves so you have to identify a bright offensive mind that's a positional coach elsewhere when hiring an OC. AP only has two years of NFL coaching experience and was away from the NFL game for a decade before that so I doubt that he has a ton of connections to QB/TE/WR coaches etc. around the league so our hiring pool will probably be pretty limited. 

Which I think will ultimately lead to Bo being retained, which is a worst case scenario if we are drafting a QB.

[jpaulthe1st]

1 minute ago, NYRaider said:

 

I think that's my biggest concern with retaining AP, does he keep the offensive staff intact?

To be be honest I genuinely think that he'll bring Bo back as his OC. They're reportedly super close friends, IIRC AP hand picked him and they've been super tight over the last two seasons. I doubt that AP has a ton of connections to offensive coaches around the league. And if we win out I could see them just saying screw it, lets run it back.

But as I've highlighted before, Bo has ruined the careers of QBs with every organization he has been with.

Jay Cutler - Got traded

Ryan Tannehill - Got traded

Sam Darnold - Got traded

Mac Jones - Will be cut or traded this off-season

Derek Carr - Got cut

Jimmy G - Will be cut or traded this off-season

He has arguably the worst track record of QB development of any coach in the NFL and that's probably who we're going to keep as the main guy developing a QB that we take in the first round.

So no other Coach had a hand in the failure of those QB’s? Not the OC. Not the HC. Just Bo…..the QB killer