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1 hour ago, big_palooka said:

That team was trash. The playoffs were a fluke. They were not built to go back in a non-Covid effected season.

They were a year removed from the playoffs under Del Rio when Gruden ran a wrecking ball through the roster.

 

Why does everyone always ignore that when talking Gruden and Mayock? 

If they did anything, they kicked off an unnecessary rebuild instead of building upon what Jack and Reggie built up. We built up and made the playoffs, had a down year, and poof, they were gone. 

Regardless of whether one thinks JDR and Reggie could have rebounded with another year, it's nonsensical to pretend Gruden came in and turned the franchise around from rags to riches. With what he inherited and the screw ups he and Mayock made, it's astounding they didn't run us entirely into the ground. If they really knew what they were doing, it wouldn't have taken so long to make the playoffs again. Gruden came back in 2018. We pretty much immediately traded Mack and only 5 years later, we have 1 guy left from that "haul"....and he's got 1 foot out the door amd only ever showed up for 1 truly inspirational season. The trade itself wasn't a franchise breaker, but the hack job they managed with the compensation set us back well over half a decade. 

That anyone is pretending Gruden was doing something great and worthwhile here is straight up delusional. 

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1 hour ago, ronjon1990 said:

Why does everyone always ignore that when talking Gruden and Mayock? 

If they did anything, they kicked off an unnecessary rebuild instead of building upon what Jack and Reggie built up. We built up and made the playoffs, had a down year, and poof, they were gone. 

Regardless of whether one thinks JDR and Reggie could have rebounded with another year, it's nonsensical to pretend Gruden came in and turned the franchise around from rags to riches. With what he inherited and the screw ups he and Mayock made, it's astounding they didn't run us entirely into the ground. If they really knew what they were doing, it wouldn't have taken so long to make the playoffs again. Gruden came back in 2018. We pretty much immediately traded Mack and only 5 years later, we have 1 guy left from that "haul"....and he's got 1 foot out the door amd only ever showed up for 1 truly inspirational season. The trade itself wasn't a franchise breaker, but the hack job they managed with the compensation set us back well over half a decade. 

That anyone is pretending Gruden was doing something great and worthwhile here is straight up delusional. 

Gruden took a 6-10 team and along with Mayock built a playoff team that Bisaccia gets credit for but that's not worthwhile. LOL Think you're the delusional one here. 

Almost made the playoffs this year with largely the players drafted by Gruden and Mayock but that's not worthwhile lol.  

Also, trading Mack was the right move. What happened after he went to Chicago? He fell off big time. People.were comparing him to Donald as the best defensive player in the league. No one said that while he was in Chicago.

In fact, just to illustrate how stupid and clueless this post truly is, going back into the Raiders entire history, only one general manager managed a better winning percentage than Mike Mayock.

Care to take a guess at who that might be? Try Al Davis.

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Gruden sucked. Not sure why hes getting excuses because of a couple games where Ruggs showed promise. Was obvious he had a big hand in the 1st round picks in guys like Ferrell and Leatherwood. Guys Mayock as an even an analyst wouldn't touch at our high spots. 2021 was such a fluke year that Jacobs basically rescued.

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5 minutes ago, PhillyRaider said:

And? If we beat the Colts would we still have a shot at the playoffs now? Yes we would. 

Gruden was terrible, traded away all of our best players, and wasted premium draft capital at a historic rate. Gruden with AOC at QB would lead us to 2-3 wins.

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12 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Gruden was terrible, traded away all of our best players, and wasted premium draft capital at a historic rate. Gruden with AOC at QB would lead us to 2-3 wins.

Gruden was right trading Mack and he built a playoff team from the ground up. Despite your denials.

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44 minutes ago, PhillyRaider said:

Gruden was right trading Mack and he built a playoff team from the ground up. Despite your denials.

Okay, please tell us what players that they drafted that are a large part of the current day roster. Who have the JMD brain trust mismanaged? Who did they let go?

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14 hours ago, ronjon1990 said:

Why does everyone always ignore that when talking Gruden and Mayock? 

If they did anything, they kicked off an unnecessary rebuild instead of building upon what Jack and Reggie built up. We built up and made the playoffs, had a down year, and poof, they were gone. 

Regardless of whether one thinks JDR and Reggie could have rebounded with another year, it's nonsensical to pretend Gruden came in and turned the franchise around from rags to riches. With what he inherited and the screw ups he and Mayock made, it's astounding they didn't run us entirely into the ground. If they really knew what they were doing, it wouldn't have taken so long to make the playoffs again. Gruden came back in 2018. We pretty much immediately traded Mack and only 5 years later, we have 1 guy left from that "haul"....and he's got 1 foot out the door amd only ever showed up for 1 truly inspirational season. The trade itself wasn't a franchise breaker, but the hack job they managed with the compensation set us back well over half a decade. 

That anyone is pretending Gruden was doing something great and worthwhile here is straight up delusional. 

Gruden came into a team off a down year with an established QB, a top 5 Oline and a DPOY and decided to unnecessarily send them into a rebuild. Traded off Mack, Cooper and Patterson. Then signed the corpses of Jordy Nelson, Doug Martin, Derek Johnson, Reggie Nelson among others.

And outside Kolton Miller, the entire first draft was a throw away. And he fired Reggie McKenzie midseason to install his own yes man to help him waste all the assets he acquired. 

Fans were celebrating when his emails came out that they didn't have to endure 6 more years of him.

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8 minutes ago, big_palooka said:

Gruden came into a team off a down year with an established QB, a top 5 Oline and a DPOY and decided to unnecessarily send them into a rebuild. Traded off Mack, Cooper and Patterson. Then signed the corpses of Jordy Nelson, Doug Martin, Derek Johnson, Reggie Nelson among others.

And outside Kolton Miller, the entire first draft was a throw away. And he fired Reggie McKenzie midseason to install his own yes man to help him waste all the assets he acquired. 

Fans were celebrating when his emails came out that they didn't have to endure 6 more years of him.

Absurd. Gruden handled Mack correctly. Mackneas going to eat the majority of our cap space and when Gruden tried to contact him, he refused to talk to Gruden.

Good riddance. 

Gruden realized he needed help with the draft. That's why he went out and got Mayock. 

What fans were celebrating the email leak, bro? If you celebrated that, then you ain't a fan.

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