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AB now 'Lock' for HOF?


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AB is on his way, but I would say a few more years of this dominance and he is in.  The fact he was unanimous  all pro 1st team might help. Other QB's either were hurt or not their usual dominant self also helps. 

@M-V agree about heyward, I was shocked he got 1st team all pro but thought pro bowl for sure.  Pro bowl is not accurate, and wrt 1st team all pro, it's been a while since we had a DL  make the team

 

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On 1/5/2018 at 1:58 PM, cjfollett said:

I think Brown needs a couple SB rings to be a "lock." He is definitely on his way though.

Oh, and if this thread was created before he got hurt versus NE. Shame!

Yes to part II of your post...

...but no to part I.  He's in.  SBs are not as big of a thing for WRs as they are QBs. If they were, then Ward would be a finalist, and my Forum Name would be truth vs wishful thinking.

And now, with more hardware, being named SportingNews NFL Offensive Player of the Year. Not quite as prestigious as AP,  but on par with Pro Football Writer's Association (PFWA) and  surely higher coveted an award than any PFF award, seeing that it's voted on by NFL players/coaches.

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Antonio Brown is the best thing the NFL has seen at wide receiver since the prime of Jerry Rice. Now he's the first wide receiver since Rice to be named Sporting News' Offensive Player of the Year in 27 years.

He keeps accomplishing feats that only one other WR  as accomplished--Jerry Rice.  I don't care what 'era' he's in; no one else in this 'era' is accomplishing these feats, either. 

When you look at lists...and the only 2 WRs names are Jerry Rice and Antonio Brown, then yeah, you're going to the HoF...

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Brown is pretty much a lock.    

And I still expect elite play out of his for the next 3 years, and probably a few good years after that, baring injury.

Even when he loses some of his speed and quickness, he will still be an asset because he does everything well.   

I could see Brown being at least an 800 yard per year WR into his mid and even late 30s.

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23 hours ago, wwhickok said:

I disagree.  AB has special talent and ability.  Yes the chemistry between a QB and WR are very important but that's suggesting he couldn't have built that chemistry with someone else.

Of course he has special talent and ability.  I'm just stating a fact:  His stats aren't that good without Ben.  Ben is a HOF QB so it makes sense that they have a prolific connection.    The other guys who have started... yeah,  well...

If anyone can find the actual AB stats without Ben, I'd gratefully appreciate it.  I tried to look it up but couldn't figure out how to do it without going through game by game.

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will he be the best WR not to win the SB? That could be next but Moss holds that title.  He was on the highest scoring team at the time ever 1998 Vikes and then the 2007  undefeated Pats.  We have a ways to go to approach teams like that and our D has even further to go before it is playoff ready. 

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On 12/10/2017 at 5:55 PM, OleXmad said:

No one is a lock for the HOF. Especially WRs nowadays with such a logjam waiting to get in... AB is HOF worthy but he needs a few more years to guarantee it because everybody likes bulky stats.

Hopefully Ben retires and it's revealed Brown is nothing more than a production of Ben forcing it to him. 

 

Sorry, but yes, there are guys that are locks for the HOF.  One, included, is Ray Lewis, who is a finalist this year. I mean, if you want to get technical about, you are correct, there are no 'locks' for the HOF, but let's say, outside of being accused of murder beating up a girl scout, some players are destined to get based upon their on-field contricutions to the game and the sport.  Antonio Brown is one of those players. You mention log jam, yet Marvin Harrison zoomed right in.  It has nothing to do with log jams, and everything to do with résumé, and Antonio Brown has the accolades on his résumé that no other WR has, outside of Jerry Rice.  And no, not popularity contests of how many All-Star games fans vote them into, (but yes, he has those too) but things such as, what I just mentioned a few days ago, being named Offensive POY by Sporting News, and four straight AP All-Pros.

It's not always about 'bulky stats'.  FANS like bulky stats; HOF voters like excellence...sustained, which he has shown, like Terrell Davis and Earl Thomas has shown...not longevity of bulk stats. And not to mention, other items such as 'unique' traits, I guess, for lack of better term. Some fans get wrapped around the axle about Jerome Bettis, and his HOF status, but the bottom line is, he did things, and ran the ball, like a 5'11" 210lb RB at times, dancing around, light on his feet, etc., abut at the same time, was able to 'bulldoze' his way through a pile with his 260 lbs (yeah, right, try 280...at least).  Point being, he was unique; no RB ever like him.

Same with Brown. Between what he could do as a return specialist, and did, with being the only NFL player ever to have 1000 yds in the return game + 1000 yds receiving in the same season, then with his 'gimmicky, yet effective 5/50 streak, and now, his 4 years of dominance at the WR position. There's a chance he could do something stupid to ruin is candidacy, but he's done everything he NEEDS to do,on the field, to earn his HOF entrance, no doubt in my mind, when you consider guys like Terrell Davis are in.

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5 hours ago, Ward4HOF said:

Sorry, but yes, there are guys that are locks for the HOF.  One, included, is Ray Lewis, who is a finalist this year. I mean, if you want to get technical about, you are correct, there are no 'locks' for the HOF, but let's say, outside of being accused of murder beating up a girl scout, some players are destined to get based upon their on-field contricutions to the game and the sport.  Antonio Brown is one of those players. You mention log jam, yet Marvin Harrison zoomed right in.  It has nothing to do with log jams, and everything to do with résumé, and Antonio Brown has the accolades on his résumé that no other WR has, outside of Jerry Rice.  And no, not popularity contests of how many All-Star games fans vote them into, (but yes, he has those too) but things such as, what I just mentioned a few days ago, being named Offensive POY by Sporting News, and four straight AP All-Pros.

It's not always about 'bulky stats'.  FANS like bulky stats; HOF voters like excellence...sustained, which he has shown, like Terrell Davis and Earl Thomas has shown...not longevity of bulk stats. And not to mention, other items such as 'unique' traits, I guess, for lack of better term. Some fans get wrapped around the axle about Jerome Bettis, and his HOF status, but the bottom line is, he did things, and ran the ball, like a 5'11" 210lb RB at times, dancing around, light on his feet, etc., abut at the same time, was able to 'bulldoze' his way through a pile with his 260 lbs (yeah, right, try 280...at least).  Point being, he was unique; no RB ever like him.

Same with Brown. Between what he could do as a return specialist, and did, with being the only NFL player ever to have 1000 yds in the return game + 1000 yds receiving in the same season, then with his 'gimmicky, yet effective 5/50 streak, and now, his 4 years of dominance at the WR position. There's a chance he could do something stupid to ruin is candidacy, but he's done everything he NEEDS to do,on the field, to earn his HOF entrance, no doubt in my mind, when you consider guys like Terrell Davis are in.

Not when their careers aren't even finished is probably what I should've said. AB is far from a HOF lock right now, he's an incredibly dominant receiver but again when he's eligible for the HOF in...13 years? assuming he plays into his mid to late 30s a lot of things can change between now and then. His play could fall off a cliff for *insert reasons here* he could suffer a career ending injury, he could just never be as good as he was the past 4 seasons is it likely? Nope but a lot can change before he's even considered for the HOF.

And yes there are some HOF locks (Brady is the obvious example) 

 

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As a Browns fan I am a fan of Antonio Brown. 

IMO he is second all time as a WR for a small bodied guy.  I tend to differentiate between the guys under 6 foot with a small frame from the big guys as there roles as WR are a bit different along with different play styles. 

any way I think AB is two good seasons (100 recs, 1200 yards 8-10 s) away from the HOF or one all time season away from it (130 catches 1600 yards 13 TDs). 

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