Dome Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Quote The NFL has confirmed that former Falcons player Phil McKinnely served as the down judge for the Saints-Falcons game. Quote The strangest aspect of the assignment is that McKinnely isn’t a member of the crew that worked the game. He’s the down judge on Bill Vinovich’s crew, but he was assigned to work on Clete Blakeman’s crew. Quote “As per standard procedure, both clubs received the officiating crew for Week 14 on November 30,” NFL spokesman Mike Signora told PFT via email on Sunday. “The officiating schedule is made by the NFL Officiating staff, so they determine who is assigned to what game.” The official game book appearing at NFL.com shows that Hugo Cruz, not McKinnely, served as the down judge for the game. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/10/nfl-assigned-former-falcons-player-to-officiate-saints-falcons-game/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 40 minutes ago, domepatrol91 said: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/10/nfl-assigned-former-falcons-player-to-officiate-saints-falcons-game/ How crappy is that. In one of the biggest rivalry games in the NFL, the NFL can't put out an officiating crew with no ties to either team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsfan Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 At least this helps explain some of the terrible calls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 52 minutes ago, saintsfan said: At least this helps explain some of the terrible calls Does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, tyler735 said: How crappy is that. In one of the biggest rivalry games in the NFL, the NFL can't put out an officiating crew with no ties to either team? Agreed. I don’t think it mattered, a bad ref is a bad ref, but why even take the chance? These are important games and fans are LOOKING for a reason to trash the NFL. They set themselves up with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Iowa Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I remember a time in high school where I helped cater the food for my ex girlfriend's new boyfriend's graduation party. Yeah, that food was legit..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I don’t believe that someone doesn’t have at minimal subconscious bias in that situation. I doubt that the refs went into the game trying to screw the Saints...but that was bad...it’s really hard to have offloading that one sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 34 minutes ago, sammymvpknight said: I don’t believe that someone doesn’t have at minimal subconscious bias in that situation. He’s been a ref in the NFL for 15 years, and worked in the SEC before that. He played for Atlanta 40 years ago. Arthur Blank didnt buy them for another 20 years after he left. What ties does he have to anyone in that franchise? Id be willing to bet his new bias lies solely on his new career which means officiating to the best of his ability, but that’s obviously just speculation. I honestly consider this a non-factor. I’d file it under the “couldn’t care less” category, but thats just me. Does anyone know what he actually did in this game? Did he call any of the penalties? Any of the bad ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, domepatrol91 said: He’s been a ref in the NFL for 15 years, and worked in the SEC before that. He played for Atlanta 40 years ago. Arthur Blank didnt buy them for another 20 years after he left. What ties does he have to anyone in that franchise? Id be willing to bet his new bias lies solely on his new career which means officiating to the best of his ability, but that’s obviously just speculation. I honestly consider this a non-factor. I’d file it under the “couldn’t care less” category, but thats just me. Does anyone know what he actually did in this game? Did he call any of the penalties? Any of the bad ones? That was one of, if not the worst, officiated games that I could remember. Something that bad is hard to happen by pure chance. So...when you hear stories that suggest bias...it’s hard for me to completely sweep under the rug. I’m far from a conspiracy theory type of person...but I also notice when things are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 minute ago, sammymvpknight said: Something that bad is hard to happen by pure chance. I think that suggests it’s even more likely to be chance. If the NFL was rigging games, wouldn’t we have seen more egregious examples than this by now? If there is a “perfect storm” of bad calls and it only happens once, that says “bad luck” more than “The NFL is influencing games,” to me. 8 minutes ago, sammymvpknight said: So...when you hear stories that suggest bias...it’s hard for me to completely sweep under the rug I don’t know if I agree. What exactly suggests bias? Did he make any bad calls? Did he miss any egregious calls that any other ref would’ve made? What ties does he have to the current organization? I think these are questions I’d like answers to before I even CONSIDERED the idea that he’s purposely influenced the game unfairly. 18 minutes ago, sammymvpknight said: I’m far from a conspiracy theory type of person...but I also notice when things are different. If we’re looking at this with a wider scope: Why would this game be the worst (aka most obvious) game you’ve seen? What’s so special about this game that it needed to be rigged? Why would they try it on prime time? Why would they attempt it with a former Falcon in the officiating crew? It was a poorly officiated game, no doubt about that. But these questions would need answers before we got too crazy about any conspiracy theories, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMG5 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 That's strange, but I don't think it really had anything to do with the game. The referees were just terrible. He just happened to be part of the terrible unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Iowa Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 9 hours ago, domepatrol91 said: Id be willing to bet his new bias lies solely on his new career which means officiating to the best of his ability, but that’s obviously just speculation. Well, he needs some better focus. He is not a good ref, or at least the unit as a whole is not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Had nothing to do with the game, the refs were just terrible like they usually are regardless of who plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodatworm23 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 9:21 PM, domepatrol91 said: He’s been a ref in the NFL for 15 years, and worked in the SEC before that. He played for Atlanta 40 years ago. Arthur Blank didnt buy them for another 20 years after he left. What ties does he have to anyone in that franchise? Id be willing to bet his new bias lies solely on his new career which means officiating to the best of his ability, but that’s obviously just speculation. I honestly consider this a non-factor. I’d file it under the “couldn’t care less” category, but thats just me. Does anyone know what he actually did in this game? Did he call any of the penalties? Any of the bad ones? He was the ref that cut Lattimore off on the INT forcing him inside to Ryan... He also made a few questionable calls and non calls for Atl. Word is he was also the ref that called the Bronco player that returned the blocked kick for a TD inbounds but I havent verified that yet. Reguardless which side you sit on this, this is a clear reason why a ref with his background should NEVER be on the field in a game like that! What makes it smell funny is how he was suddenly added to the crew last minute. Still it brings a bad smell to the game and the NFL only has itself to blame for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 hours ago, whodatworm23 said: He was the ref that cut Lattimore off on the INT forcing him inside to Ryan He was moving quickly to the sideline like you're supposed to. That's a part of the game. 3 hours ago, whodatworm23 said: He also made a few questionable calls and non calls for Atl. They all did, if we're being honest. I don't know that he looks any worse than anyone else officiating that game, or most games nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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