BLick12 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, JayWood2010 said: The difference with him is that Brady doesnt rely on his legs as much as Wentz, and Brady had already been in the NFL for a long time so it doesnt affect his development as much. The good thing about Wentz is that he is smart and has great work ethic. He is also excellent in the pocket so Im hoping this doesnt affect him. And actually, Brady's first year back wasn't that strong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 11 minutes ago, Phire said: Wentz will be fine. He doesn't "rely" on his legs to play the position. That was just an added bonus. He was already a wizard on his feet; we don't need him to be that. I also don't think tearing an ACL will immobilize him. What will change is play calling and attitude. And to be honest, these will be for the better. The read option/RPO stuff is cute, but we're not going to run our freaking franchise quarterback at NFL defenses anymore. At least, we shouldn't. We hopefully also won't see Carson sacrifice his body during regular season games. Save that stuff for the playoffs. The only silver lining to this is hopefully it opens Doug's eyes to just running the damn football with your runningbacks. Especially when you carry four or whatever of them. Doesn't rely on them, but the fact remains that a majority of his "wow" plays were made possible by his mobility and balance. Take those traits away, and you take away those plays that had people drooling over him. LIS, considering it's just his 2nd year and he can pass from and navigate the pocket, has a cannon arm, can make great touch throws, there's no reason to think he couldn't become great even with hampered mobility, but he wouldn't be great right now or anytime soon. Of course odds are he will make a full recovery, as an overwhelming majority of professional athletes do nowadays, but we're the Eagles, I've found it is wise to anticipate the worst case scenario as it tends to find us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjapirate Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 What if we win the superbowl with Nick? Do we have to trade Carson for a haul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLick12 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Doesn't rely on them, but the fact remains that a majority of his "wow" plays were made possible by his mobility and balance. Take those traits away, and you take away those plays that had people drooling over him. LIS, considering it's just his 2nd year and he can pass from and navigate the pocket, has a cannon arm, can make great touch throws, there's no reason to think he couldn't become great even with hampered mobility, but he wouldn't be great right now or anytime soon. Of course odds are he will make a full recovery, as an overwhelming majority of professional athletes do nowadays, but we're the Eagles, I've found it is wise to anticipate the worst case scenario as it tends to find us. Claiming Wentz doesn't depend on his legs is foolishly naive at this point. He's not a great pocket passer, his accuracy still suffers at times and even against the Rams, when the pressure was getting to him he was throwing off his back foot and his mechanics weren't consistent. He overcomes that by buying time for himself with his legs. The good news is that he is still pretty good throwing from the pocket, but stands to improve considerably. This injury might be a blessing in disguise in that sense. Both Brady and Rodgers have a remarkable ability to navigate pressure in the pocket through subtle/simple movement and active feet. Wentz still has a bit of stone feet in the pocket and gets by a lot on raw athleticism and strength. The silver lining is that this could be a great opportunity for him to really progress as a pocket passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles18 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 43 minutes ago, Rtnldave said: then why would they have traded him in the first place??? Same reason they would trade LeSean McCoy and DeSean Jackson. Chip is an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles18 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 13 minutes ago, ninjapirate said: What if we win the superbowl with Nick? Do we have to trade Carson for a haul? I would trade Nick for 2 firsts. Wentz is my boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BLick12 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, eagles18 said: Same reason they would trade LeSean McCoy and DeSean Jackson. Chip is an idiot Foles and a 2nd or whatever for Bradford was easily the best trade Chip made during his tenure in charge. Foles isn't a good QB. He's not someone that I want starting. The saving grace is that we have what should be a pretty QB friendly system and a good defense surrounding him. We just need him not to entirely muck things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 You guys saying sign Romo can efe right off that idea.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 41 minutes ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Doesn't rely on them, but the fact remains that a majority of his "wow" plays were made possible by his mobility and balance. Take those traits away, and you take away those plays that had people drooling over him. LIS, considering it's just his 2nd year and he can pass from and navigate the pocket, has a cannon arm, can make great touch throws, there's no reason to think he couldn't become great even with hampered mobility, but he wouldn't be great right now or anytime soon. Of course odds are he will make a full recovery, as an overwhelming majority of professional athletes do nowadays, but we're the Eagles, I've found it is wise to anticipate the worst case scenario as it tends to find us. Right, he did things on his legs that most QBs can't. So even if he comes back at half mobility, he'll still be more mobile than a lot of guys. With that being said, he won't be coming back at half mobility. I am telling you as someone who tore an ACL to the sport that it's not going to debilitate his mobility at all. Any indication to the contrary is false. And surgery today is a lot better and he'll have access to much better doctors than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Will Represent Proudly but final 2017 Stats! 17' Bird Watch: QB Carson Wentz: 13 MVP GM's// 440Att// 60% Comp// 3296 Pass Yds// 33 TD// 7 INT// 299 Rush Yds// QBR 102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 38 minutes ago, BLick12 said: Claiming Wentz doesn't depend on his legs is foolishly naive at this point. He's not a great pocket passer, his accuracy still suffers at times and even against the Rams, when the pressure was getting to him he was throwing off his back foot and his mechanics weren't consistent. He overcomes that by buying time for himself with his legs. The good news is that he is still pretty good throwing from the pocket, but stands to improve considerably. This injury might be a blessing in disguise in that sense. Both Brady and Rodgers have a remarkable ability to navigate pressure in the pocket through subtle/simple movement and active feet. Wentz still has a bit of stone feet in the pocket and gets by a lot on raw athleticism and strength. The silver lining is that this could be a great opportunity for him to really progress as a pocket passer. You're talking about several different things. Wentz doesn't "rely" on his legs the same way Cam Newton or Russell Wilson does. Those quarterbacks literally rely on their legs and will often lead their teams in rushing. That's not Carson Wentz at all. He isn't leading the league in touchdown passes because he relies on his legs. In fact, the vast majority of his plays are from the pocket. The vast majority of his good plays this year have come from the pocket. I think the fact that the plays that stand out to us were Carson being mobile makes it seem like that's all he does. It's not. Pocket mobility is different from relying on legs. I don't even know why that's in the discussion. Tearing an ACL shouldn't have any effect on a QBs ability to navigate the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 I'm not at all worried about Wentz in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ_Eaglesfan Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 21 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: You guys saying sign Romo can efe right off that idea.. Tbh, if Romo could stay healthy it would make a ton of sense. Problem is he can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Phire said: Still can't believe this happened. I'm waiting to wake up any moment now. it hasn't helped I'm all screwed up sleep schedule-wise...but yea this day has been weird. Ugh...it just figures...god this sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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