Jeremy408 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, ronjon1990 said: I'd be all over Browning. I wanted to try and pry Davis Mills from Houston as I thought he did an admirable job with what he had. Browning is 3x better than Mills, imo. He's a guy I think you can get 8 seasons from, but still have options to upgrade. He doesn't play scared, he doesn't shrink in the moment, he brushes off a bad play like it's nothing, he's mobile enough but not reliant on it. I was worried he'd follow Callahan, but I can't see him going to Tennessee and competing with Levis. Too much of a gamble for him to jump into a competition AND rebuild given his age now. But for us? A good chance to start, especially if we draft and develop JJ, and not a total rebuild. If he winds up our QB2, that means we're in a good place. I thought about that but the problem is Aiden was better than him with worse play calling and a worse line. My critiria for a QB this year is it cant be someone that Aiden will beat out next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 (edited) 20 hours ago, Jeremy408 said: I thought about that but the problem is Aiden was better than him with worse play calling and a worse line. My critiria for a QB this year is it cant be someone that Aiden will beat out next year. Tier 1 options: Caleb, Maye, Daniels Tier 2 options: Fields, Baker, Russ Tier 3: Jamies, JJ, Darnold, Cousins, Nix , Pennix Tier 4: Browning, Gardner, Brissett, Mariota, Lock, Huntley Edited January 27 by Humble_Beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 49 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: I thought about that but the problem is Aiden was better than him with worse play calling and a worse line. My critiria for a QB this year is it cant be someone that Aiden will beat out next year. We could dive in and really break it all down, but I don't care that much. Fwiw, I don't think O'Connell could beat Browning in a straight up QB competition though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jeremy408 said: I thought about that but the problem is Aiden was better than him with worse play calling and a worse line. My critiria for a QB this year is it cant be someone that Aiden will beat out next year. Huh? Aoc was def not better than Browning, not even close. Aoc had one great game against a tanking Chargers. Plus Browning is extremely mobile. AOC’s mobility is like a 1.5/10. Browning is like a 7/10. He was able to escape pressure all the time and extend plays. He also had 3 rushing TDs in 6 games. Edited January 26 by Tank4Drake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: Huh? Aoc was def not better than Browning, not even close. Aoc had one great game against a tanking Chargers. Plus Browning is extremely mobile. AOC’s mobility is like a 1.5/10. Browning is like a 7/10. He was able to escape pressure all the time and extend plays. He also had 3 rushing TDs in 6 games. Aiden Oconnell 12TD 7INT 2218 10 starts 5-5 Jake Browning 12TD 7INT 1936 9 Starts 4-5 Jake is more mobile Bengals Oline>Raiders Oline Bengals OC> Raiders Oline Bengals Wrs>Raiders Wrs Edited January 26 by Jeremy408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 6 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: Aiden Oconnell 12TD 7INT 2218 10 starts 5-5 Jake Browning 12TD 7INT 1936 9 Starts 4-5 Jake is more mobile Bengals Oline>Raiders Oline Bengals OC> Raiders Oline Bengals Wrs>Raiders Wrs Where are Jake’s rushing TDs and rushing yards? He was a weapon in the redzone. Also the WR/TE cores are not that much different. Adams > Chase (close). Higgins >> Meyers (Higgins is overrated though). And our TE’s totally smoke theirs. AOC’s big game came against the Chargers, at home, a team who gave up on their coach. Browning’s big game came against a Top 12 D in the Jags, on the road, against a team competing for a playoff spot. Also, just watch the two of them play… Browning can actually float dimes, and is extremely smart when to use power in his throws or not. AOC is like Carr, just throw is as hard as you can no matter what… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 51 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: Where are Jake’s rushing TDs and rushing yards? He was a weapon in the redzone. Also the WR/TE cores are not that much different. Adams > Chase (close). Higgins >> Meyers (Higgins is overrated though). And our TE’s totally smoke theirs. AOC’s big game came against the Chargers, at home, a team who gave up on their coach. Browning’s big game came against a Top 12 D in the Jags, on the road, against a team competing for a playoff spot. Also, just watch the two of them play… Browning can actually float dimes, and is extremely smart when to use power in his throws or not. AOC is like Carr, just throw is as hard as you can no matter what… How do you compare their olines?lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said: How do you compare their olines?lol Our OLine wasn’t as bad as you think it was. AOC was the biggest statue in the league and completely inflated sack numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101Raider Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 4 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: Tier 1 options: Caleb, Maye, Daniels Tier 2 options: Fields, Baker, Russ Tier 3: Jamies, JJ, Darnold, Cousins, Nix , Pennix Tier 4: Gardner, Brissett, Mariota, Lock, Huntley, Man, my brain can’t quantify mixing matching in tiers both rookies, FAs and dudes we’d have to trade for. Not going to nitpick your list. However, one minor question, would you really be okay with bringing Mariota back? After his prev stint here, I know I’d be super unhappy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101Raider Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Tank4Drake said: Where are Jake’s rushing TDs and rushing yards? He was a weapon in the redzone. Also the WR/TE cores are not that much different. Adams > Chase (close). Higgins >> Meyers (Higgins is overrated though). And our TE’s totally smoke theirs. AOC’s big game came against the Chargers, at home, a team who gave up on their coach. Browning’s big game came against a Top 12 D in the Jags, on the road, against a team competing for a playoff spot. Also, just watch the two of them play… Browning can actually float dimes, and is extremely smart when to use power in his throws or not. AOC is like Carr, just throw is as hard as you can no matter what… I ended up watching a lot of Browning over the last few weeks as he ended up as my FF QB (and took me to the promised land lol). I agree with you and RonJon (and whoever else chimed in). If he’s available, I’d be pretty happy with him as a mid-level placeholder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 37 minutes ago, 101Raider said: Man, my brain can’t quantify mixing matching in tiers both rookies, FAs and dudes we’d have to trade for. Not going to nitpick your list. However, one minor question, would you really be okay with bringing Mariota back? After his prev stint here, I know I’d be super unhappy. More like a Vet challenger to AOC at that point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 20 hours ago, Nightmare said: Nice summary. You can probably add Russell Wilson into the #2 category because he's almost certainly going to be released by Denver and would be available for a very low salary. I don't want him, but I think he's a realistic option. We're in a tough spot with where we are in the draft. It would be nice to be in a position to grab one of the top prospects, but we're going to have to give up a huge ransom to do it. One thing is clear, though - we absolutely must upgrade the QB position this off-season. Keeping the majority of the roster in tact and going with a stopgap vet feels like the most likely idea, imo. I can't really see that Russell Wilson stuff...really doesn't seem like an "AP type Dog" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 15 hours ago, Tank4Drake said: Our OLine wasn’t as bad as you think it was. AOC was the biggest statue in the league and completely inflated sack numbers. OK let's play a game or would you rather Would you rather have Orlando Brown or Kolton Miller Would you rather have Dylan Parham or Cordell Volson Would you rather have Ted Karras or Andre Miller Would you rather have Van Roton or Alex Kappa Would you rather have Jonah Williams or Jermain Elumanor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Jeremy408 said: OK let's play a game or would you rather Would you rather have Orlando Brown or Kolton Miller Would you rather have Dylan Parham or Cordell Volson Would you rather have Ted Karras or Andre Miller Would you rather have Van Roton or Alex Kappa Would you rather have Jonah Williams or Jermain Elumanor We also need to remember that although AOC held onto the bal to long 7 of his 24 sacks came in his first game when we could not block Mack and refused to help out on him. We definitely need to upgrade the o-line but I think AOC speeding up the clock in his head will help a lot also. I want a new right side of the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 43 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: We also need to remember that although AOC held onto the bal to long 7 of his 24 sacks came in his first game when we could not block Mack and refused to help out on him. We definitely need to upgrade the o-line but I think AOC speeding up the clock in his head will help a lot also. I want a new right side of the line. yeah, but the Bengals aren't thinking that they need a new right side their line. Which was the point I was making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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