squire12 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 31 minutes ago, HokieHigh said: Not sure hypothetical is the right word here. They arent researching nor developing those instruments/techniques. They are early access users - before things hit mainstream. Do we know GB training/ medical staff ( or any NFL team staff) are actually early access users? It is also possible they are old school " do it this way because we've always done it this way" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 32 minutes ago, HokieHigh said: The knee injury certainly can lead to hamstring weakness. Any lower body, lower back injury can lead to hamstring issues. Not just weakness but over use, improper use, imbalance, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, squire12 said: Do we know GB training/ medical staff ( or any NFL team staff) are actually early access users? It is also possible they are old school " do it this way because we've always done it this way" Nope! I think thats the most aggressive a professional sport team would be in the way of cutting edge (the closest they would get to R&D), and of course means they could be trying lots of voodoo BS . You would know better than me, but usually a foot injury would lead to calf issues more likely than hammy issues? The knee, hip, and back put the hammy in really vulnerable situation Edited December 30, 2023 by HokieHigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, HokieHigh said: Nope! I think thats the most aggressive a professional sport team would be in the way of cutting edge (the closest they would get to R&D), and of course means they could be trying lots of voodoo BS . Fact is we don't know. GB training staff could be old achool and behind the times, could be trying cutting edge stuff that sucks, could be trying random/weird stuff that doea nothing. 29 minutes ago, HokieHigh said: You would know better than me, but usually a foot injury would lead to calf issues more likely than hammy issues? The knee, hip, and back put the hammy in really vulnerable situation Foot can lead to calf or upper leg issues. All depends on how each individual's body/ brain compensates. There is no formula process. Edited December 30, 2023 by squire12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, squire12 said: Fact is we don't know. GB training staff could be old achool and behind the times, could be trying cutting edge stuff that sucks, could be trying random/weird stuff that doea nothing. Foot can lead to calf or upper leg issues. All depends on how each individual's body/ brain compensates. There is no formula process. What we do know is that no exercise or health products are on the market with the packers on the patent, and no manuscripts are in print from the staff with packers as the participant. Edited December 31, 2023 by HokieHigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 minute ago, HokieHigh said: What we do know is that no exercise or health products are on the market with the packers on the patent, and no manuscripts are in print from the staff with packers as the participant. Do we know that? Have you searched the research literature sites to make sure no GB staff member have been a lead or secondary / participating author in any research? Because i am pretty sure there are grants from the NFL out to different researchers on a variety of topics that would likely involve close collaboration with other professionals team staff on data collection and analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, squire12 said: Do we know that? Have you searched the research literature sites to make sure no GB staff member have been a lead or secondary / participating author in any research? Because i am pretty sure there are grants from the NFL out to different researchers on a variety of topics that would likely involve close collaboration with other professionals team staff on data collection and analysis. Nfl does fund studies but those are not team specific geared towards obtaining a competitive edge. Most are concussion technology related. I am sure there are members of every organization that have done some research, maybe even do research now. But they arent running studies on players. Pubmed has zero experimental articles with the packer players as the study population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf9 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 If the Packers don't fire MLF in response to another losing season, they will be setting themselves up for even worse play under him in 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, HokieHigh said: Nfl does fund studies but those are not team specific geared towards obtaining a competitive edge. Most are concussion technology related. I am sure there are members of every organization that have done some research, maybe even do research now. But they arent running studies on players. Pubmed has zero experimental articles with the packer players as the study population. Also worthwhile to mention - those research dollars go to outside researchers. Not members of specific nfl organizations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 31 minutes ago, HokieHigh said: Nfl does fund studies but those are not team specific geared towards obtaining a competitive edge. Most are concussion technology related. There are many other areas of study 31 minutes ago, HokieHigh said: I am sure there are members of every organization that have done some research, maybe even do research now. But they arent running studies on players. I wouldn't be so sure about that 31 minutes ago, HokieHigh said: Pubmed has zero experimental articles with the packer players as the study population. Good thing there are other databases for research articles. ##### Lets just say there are studies looking at hamstring injuries ( among other areas of interest) that the NFL funds to different institutions/ researchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 3 hours ago, squire12 said: There are many other areas of study I wouldn't be so sure about that Good thing there are other databases for research articles. ##### Lets just say there are studies looking at hamstring injuries ( among other areas of interest) that the NFL funds to different institutions/ researchers. None of that is an investment by the packers into R&D. I do not think the database will influence whether or not you find studies that are based on packers players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 16 hours ago, squire12 said: Stokes didn’t have a hamstring injury in 2022. It was a foot injury Even worse .. with a hamstring problem year long combined with a previous foot problem, he's got 2 lower body issues. Wouldn't doubt it a bit to see 4 secondary picks/free agency in 2024. GB can not continue to have the same play of that group in 2024 as they had this year. That being said, getting Barry out of there would upgrade the unit in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTwoSixFive Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, pf9 said: If the Packers don't fire MLF in response to another losing season, they will be setting themselves up for even worse play under him in 2024. All opinions are valid. The tricky part is choosing which ones to pay attention to. I think I'll discount this view, at least through 2024. After that, who knows. Edited December 31, 2023 by OneTwoSixFive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NFLGURU Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Pretty important for Stokes to have healthy legs, his speed is what got him to be a first rounder. He has the ball skills of a flagpole, but he needs his wheels to stay in the mix next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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