KC_Guy Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Folks, I won’t do my annual roster breakdown this year. Given the lack of activity around this place I’m just not sure it’s worth the effort. However, I had a look at the current roster and tried to project it into 2018. You’ll find my considerations below. Concerning the cap: The Chiefs are up against the 2018 limit right now – without any new signings or cap hits from releases. So they’ll have to cut some slack. I'll provide a depth chart based on these consideration over next few days. Some explanations: “Must keep” are guys that form the Chiefs’ core group, Rookies on their first contract who seem to develop into at least contributor, and guys who are untouchable due to cap implications.“Keep” are guys I think you’ll have a hard time to find a comparable replacement for considering cap implications to release/trade him and the cost for a new guy. “Release” are guys who need to go – where performance and salary no longer relate or where performance is on a decline. “Trade” are guys where I think the Chiefs can get some revenue for replacable players while clearing cap space at the same time.“Re-sign” are priority free agents the Chiefs should try to keep on their roster. Whether to do so or not of course is a question of money as well. There’s no one on this list I think the Chiefs MUST re-sign at all cost. “Black” guys are players I don’t really care about. Let them come back to camp and sort it out there. A few remarks on some individual players (where my idea may not seem that obvious): Allen Bailey: 8 M$ cap hit next year, free agent thereafter. While he’s a monster physically his impact seems somewhat limited. Wouldn’t mind to take a bit of risk here if the Chiefs can get more cap room and may be a late pick.Dee Ford: 8.7 M$ cap hit next year. He didn’t really convince me he’s the next coming of Tamba even when healthy. His 5th year option is guaranteed for injury – so I wouldn’t take the risk here.Darrelle Revis: He just not worth 13.5 M$. NOT caring about Marcus Peters: I really hate the attitude he displayed this year. He could develop into a locker room cancer. Wouldn't mind if the Chiefs trade him off. If he returns they better make sure he's got his mindset adjusted. NOT re-signing Dustin Colquitt: He’s one of the best punters in the game, but, looking at the Chiefs’ cap situation, I’m just not willing to pay 5 M$ a year for a guy who has 6 plays a game or so. I think you can get 91% of his performance for significantly less. Here’s the roster and my verdict. With the roster moves indicated below the Chiefs end up with approx.. 45 M$ in free cap minus the amount used for the re-signings at the bottom: Tackles 2018 - 75 Erving, Cameron2021 - 72 Fisher, Eric2020 - 71 Schwartz, Mitchell Guards/Centers XXXX - 65 Devey, Jordan2022 - 76 Duvernay-Tardif, Laurent2019 - 79 Ehinger, Parker2018 - 61 Morse, Mitch2018 - 70 Witzmann, Bryan Quarterbacks 2020 - 15 Mahomes, Patrick II2018 - 11 Smith, Alex Running Backs XXXX - 31 Hunt, Akeem2020 - 27 Hunt, Kareem2018 - 32 Ware, Spencer2018 - 35 West, Charcandrick Tight Ends XXXX - 82 Charles, Orson 2018 - 84 Harris, Demetrius2021 - 87 Kelce, Travis Wide Receivers 2020 - 80 Chesson, Jehu2018 - 17 Conley, Chris2019 - 10 Hill, Tyreek2019 - 14 Robinson, Demarcus Defensive Tackles XXXX - 74 Hamilton, Justin Defensive Ends 2018 - 97 Bailey, Allen2019 - 95 Jones, Chris Linebackers 2020 - 45 Eligwe, Ukeme2018 - 55 Ford, Dee2018 - 91 Hali, Tamba2020 - 50 Houston, Justin2018 - 56 Johnson, Derrick2020 - 92 Kpassagnon, Tanoh2019 - 52 Nicolas, Dadi Lhomme2019 - 59 Ragland, Reggie2018 - 51 Zombo, Frank Cornerbacks 2018 - 20 Nelson Steven2018 - 22 Peters, MarcusXXXX - 40 Reaser, Keith 2018 - 24 Revis, Darrelle Safeties 2022 - 29 Berry, EricXXXX - 34 McQuay, Leon III2019 - 21 Murray, Eric2019 - 38 Parker, Ron2020 - 49 Sorensen, DanielXXXX - 30 Terrell, Steven Specialists XXXX - 7 Butker, Harrison2021 - 41 Winchester, James Free Agents 2017 - 73 Fulton, Zach2017 - 9 Bray, Tyler2017 - 42 Sherman, Anthony2017 - 13 Thomas, De'Anthony2017 - 12 Wilson, Albert2017 - 96 Logan, Bennie 2017 - 94 Jenkins, Jarvis2017 - 99 Nunez-Roches, Rakeem2017 - 57 Pierre-Louis, Kevin2017 - 48 Smith, Terrance 2017 - 53 Wilson, Ramik 2017 - 25 Acker, Kenneth 2017 - 23 Gaines, Phillip2017 - 39 Mitchell, Terrance2017 - 2 Colquitt, Dustin Practice Squad (Free Agents) 4 Dieter, Gehrig (WR)43 Atkinson, George (RB) 7 Kemp, Marcus (WR) 24 Redmond, Will (CB) 98 Purcell, Mike (DL) 88 Firkser, Anthony (TE) 64 Gordon, Dillon (OT) 62 Johnson, Kaleb (OG) 54 Holmes, Tyrone (LB) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC_Guy Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 Offense RT - Schwartz RG - Duvernay-Tardif OC - Morse, Fulton LG - Witzmann, Ehinger LT - Fisher, Erving That's a unit you can work with. Doesn't hurt to add to the OL year in, year out though. QB - Mahomes II, Bray They need a veteran backup, minimum. RB - K. Hunt, Ware, West, A. Hunt FB - Sherman That unit looks set. WR - Conley, Robinson Slot - Wilson WR - Hill, Chesson Very young, but a nice core TE - Kelce, D. Harris, Charles I lost faith in drop machine Harris. Kelce needs a serious backup, even if it's only a reliable blocker. Defense DE - C. Jones NT - Hamilton DE - Nunez-Roches Very thin, major work needed. I'm not sure re-signing Logan is the solution here, but it's hard to find draft picks ready to take over the nose in the NFL. WOLB - Kpassagnon, Nicolas WILB - Pierre-Louis SILB - Ragland, Eligwe SOLB - Houston, Zombo Except for Houston and Zombo a young unit. Needs some depth. Much will depend on Kpass. CB - Peters, Reaser NB - S. Nelson CB - Mitchell Together with DL and TE the most critical part of the roster. May be a focus area in the draft. FS - Parker, Murray, McQuay III SS - Berry, Sorensen, Terrell With Berry back this should be a solid unit. Specialists K - Buttker P - LS - Winchester Let's find a new punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmydee Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Again, as usual....love the analysis. Could take possible exception with a couple, but it wouldn't be significant...so, lets roll. Merry Christmas...D. Hug your bride for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC_Guy Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, jimmydee said: Again, as usual....love the analysis. Could take possible exception with a couple, but it wouldn't be significant...so, lets roll. Merry Christmas...D. Hug your bride for me. Bride's no longer a bride ... - for quite a while ... but would be interested in your "exceptions" ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmydee Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 lmao...woopsie!! Time?life does move on my friend. Been there, done that! Thank God for "mulligans"........Just thinkin DJ for another year with a "House Friendly Contract", with the possibility of bringing him "In House" in some capacity...coach, talent eval., etc. after next year. Jus a thought. FYI; " Makers" has some competition.......Woodford Reserve!! Same cigars tho...no change there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starbarkc Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Maybe I'm being a homer, but it's hard to see a lot of holes on the talent side. A more disciplined team would be more effective.... Anyway, CB, MLB, or OLB I think will be the early off-season foci. I do think we keep Logan, but also try to draft an early DL. We have got to figure out how to setup the run. Oline in mid-rounds. Assuming we are gong with a young qb, we need or running game to help open things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayanfootball Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 On 12/11/2017 at 3:38 PM, KC_Guy said: FS - Parker, Murray, McQuay III SS - Berry, Sorensen, Terrell With Berry back this should be a solid unit. This group needs serious attention. The only keeper with expectation of improvement is maybe Murray. You're optimistic about Berry too. Lose 1 step or 2? But if anyone can come all the way back, it's Berry. This is a sad group overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkrei Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 21 hours ago, KC_Guy said: Bride's no longer a bride ... - for quite a while ... but would be interested in your "exceptions" ... Like not married still or you consider once the wedding happens shes not a bride? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC_Guy Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 3 hours ago, valkrei said: Like not married still or you consider once the wedding happens shes not a bride? the latter ... ;-) - married for 5 years now. Well, we already were when we came to KC for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I agree with most of this. I want to keep Colquitt though. His contract yearly average is 3.75mil. Hekker is 3.5 and King is 3.3 iirc. Obviously that isn't how it's distributed. But, I think we can extend him to a more team friendly deal. I really think we've been spoiled with him and don't truly appreciate what he does. Remember, after this year we have 2.6mil in cap space according to Spotrac. However, in 2019, we go up to 69.1mil. If we cut some high money guys we'll end up with dead money lowering that cap in 2019 (we have 15mil dead money next yer). I think barring trades our team will look pretty similar next year. The key to next year will be trading Alex and getting that 17mil space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, kingseanjohn said: I agree with most of this. I want to keep Colquitt though. His contract yearly average is 3.75mil. Hekker is 3.5 and King is 3.3 iirc. Obviously that isn't how it's distributed. But, I think we can extend him to a more team friendly deal. I really think we've been spoiled with him and don't truly appreciate what he does. Remember, after this year we have 2.6mil in cap space according to Spotrac. However, in 2019, we go up to 69.1mil. If we cut some high money guys we'll end up with dead money lowering that cap in 2019 (we have 15mil dead money next yer). I think barring trades our team will look pretty similar next year. The key to next year will be trading Alex and getting that 17mil space. Alex, DJ, and Tamba all need to be differences in next years roster for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, samsel23 said: Alex, DJ, and Tamba all need to be differences in next years roster for sure. Alex, no argument there. DJ is tough. He appears to have lost a step. But he still makes splash plays here and there. I think he'd be good to keep around as depth until 2019 when his contract is up. Keep Ragland and KPL as the starters and let DJ spell KPL. Tamba is also a tough one for me. He isn't playing much. But he is still being effective in his limited snaps. Also, assuming we don't keep Ford, our OLB depth is bad. Tamba's contract is also up in 2019 and I wouldn't be mad if we kept him as a rotational guy for one more year. But we definitely need to draft another OLB. Houston-Kpass-Hali-Zombo-Rookie... Still not ideal. But hopefully Kpass continues to improve along with a rookie and then in 2019 we can let Tamba and Zombo walk. Of course, we'd still be down depth. But I can't see us fixing that in one offseason with four draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 55 minutes ago, kingseanjohn said: Alex, no argument there. DJ is tough. He appears to have lost a step. But he still makes splash plays here and there. I think he'd be good to keep around as depth until 2019 when his contract is up. Keep Ragland and KPL as the starters and let DJ spell KPL. Tamba is also a tough one for me. He isn't playing much. But he is still being effective in his limited snaps. Also, assuming we don't keep Ford, our OLB depth is bad. Tamba's contract is also up in 2019 and I wouldn't be mad if we kept him as a rotational guy for one more year. But we definitely need to draft another OLB. Houston-Kpass-Hali-Zombo-Rookie... Still not ideal. But hopefully Kpass continues to improve along with a rookie and then in 2019 we can let Tamba and Zombo walk. Of course, we'd still be down depth. But I can't see us fixing that in one offseason with four draft picks. Tamba and DJ are both making right around 10 Mil next year. With hardly any dead money. Cutting both saves 16 Mil. Sure you could Extend and push it out another year, but I’m not sure I see the reason when both are clearly declining. The time to move on should be after this year. I love both and are 2 all time Chief greats, but unless both want to play for 2-3 a year, they aren’t worth more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, samsel23 said: Tamba and DJ are both making right around 10 Mil next year. With hardly any dead money. Cutting both saves 16 Mil. Sure you could Extend and push it out another year, but I’m not sure I see the reason when both are clearly declining. The time to move on should be after this year. I love both and are 2 all time Chief greats, but unless both want to play for 2-3 a year, they aren’t worth more than that. 2018 is the last year of both of their deals. So by waiting another year we don't have any dead money. If we had extra picks next year I'd be for it. But right now we'd be replacing them with UDFA or cheap guys off the street since we don't have the cap to bring anyone in. Yeah we could gain 15mil by cutting them. But outside of KPL, there aren't really any UFA ILB/OLB that I'd like to bring in from what I have seen so far. But I do agree that their cap hit is way too high. As of right now though, I'd rather ride it one more year with them as veteran leadership/depth. And looking at the UFA class of 2108, there isn't even anyone that I'd want to spend the money on outside of our own few guys. With no cap and no draft picks, we won't have a lot of turnover barring an Alex trade and some cuts. Maybe it's me wanting to see them retire as being only on one team, which is rare in today's sports. Or it could be that I'm tired of all the dead money and I see that we're finally about to be free from most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 5 hours ago, kingseanjohn said: Alex, no argument there. DJ is tough. He appears to have lost a step. But he still makes splash plays here and there. I think he'd be good to keep around as depth until 2019 when his contract is up. Keep Ragland and KPL as the starters and let DJ spell KPL. Tamba is also a tough one for me. He isn't playing much. But he is still being effective in his limited snaps. Also, assuming we don't keep Ford, our OLB depth is bad. Tamba's contract is also up in 2019 and I wouldn't be mad if we kept him as a rotational guy for one more year. But we definitely need to draft another OLB. Houston-Kpass-Hali-Zombo-Rookie... Still not ideal. But hopefully Kpass continues to improve along with a rookie and then in 2019 we can let Tamba and Zombo walk. Of course, we'd still be down depth. But I can't see us fixing that in one offseason with four draft picks. I'd be find spending a roster spot on Tamba and DJ. But not the money. They're both playing rotational or backup snaps right now, so if they stay, they would need to be paid as such. Tamba's playing 20-30 snaps per game. DJ's at about 50-60% of the total game snap count. You need them closer to vet minimum than where they are now in order to keep that kind of on field contribution. Now they may be open to a pay cut. Which would be worth entertaining. DJ has taken a team friendly financial move before. But that lost cap space hurts more than they help, at this point. It isn't just about free agency. We need to make some cuts just to be able to sign our draft picks. And I wouldn't worry too much about them playing elsewhere. I honestly think each would probably retire if it came to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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