MrOaktown_56 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, PhillyRaider said: He had a down year, bro. Games where he was barely involved. Dropped passes all over the place. You say we had one of the worst passing offenses in the league. Well guess what? Adams was a part of that. I feel like you're just a stat watcher instead of actually watching the games. A lot of that was not his fault. He had bottom 5 QB play for most of this year. Even if he caught every pass he dropped, his production wouldn't have been significantly better. He hasn't gotten consistently accurate passes all year. Carr by comparison is a league-average starter and he had 1500 yards with him last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 If this came about I'd be very happy, not much to pick at here. I hate your trolling sometimes NY, but I definitely like this mock. A-👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyRaider Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 36 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: A lot of that was not his fault. He had bottom 5 QB play for most of this year. Even if he caught every pass he dropped, his production wouldn't have been significantly better. He hasn't gotten consistently accurate passes all year. Carr by comparison is a league-average starter and he had 1500 yards with him last year. Except he dropped balls that hit him right in the hands consistently. Carr had a full season, no coaching turnovers, prior playing experience with Adams in college, and a whole offseason to prepare with him. By comparison, O'Connell has 10 games with him, dealt with a coaching change, two offensive coordinators, a really bad run game, offensive line turnover. a rookie tight end, a rookie receiver, basically no Renfrow, a decent Meyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, PhillyRaider said: Davante had more drops this season than I ever saw him have before. Entire weeks where he wasn't involved in the offense. Renfrow invisible. Offensive line was garbage. RT was a rotating wheel. Miller missed major time at LT. Jacobs was garbage averaging less than 4 yards a run. Andre James might be the worst starting center in the league. Brandon Parker is still on this team and in this league somehow. Parham is under sized and erratic. One week looks good, next week trash. Van Rotten is a turnstile. It's all O'Connell fault. I think it's insane to blame Davante Adams for AOC's bad play rather than bad QB play for Davante's drop in production. Bad play calling and terrible QB play are the main reasons that Adams was not involved in the offense at times. It's not all his fault, but he definitely played pretty poorly. Carr had this offense near top 10 in ppg last season with the same supporting cast and playbook. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyRaider Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Just now, NYRaider said: I think it's insane to blame Davante Adams for AOC's bad play rather than bad QB play for Davante's drop in production. Bad play calling and terrible QB play are the main reasons that Adams was not involved in the offense at times. It's not all his fault, but he definitely played pretty poorly. Carr had this offense near top 10 in ppg last season with the same supporting cast and playbook. Funny, people said the same thing about Davante last year too. He don't look the same, he don't look his usual, etc. Maybe Davante is in the down side of his career now. Most won't admit that, but all players get old sooner or later. It's not O'Connell fault Davante played poorly this season. Not at all. Davante was just as poor when Garoppolo was the starter. Going back to last season, that's the last 3 QBs this team has had that Davante didn't look like himself. Carr. Garoppolo, and O'Connell. Maybe it's not the QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 8 minutes ago, PhillyRaider said: Funny, people said the same thing about Davante last year too. He don't look the same, he don't look his usual, etc. Maybe Davante is in the down side of his career now. Most won't admit that, but all players get old sooner or later. It's not O'Connell fault Davante played poorly this season. Not at all. Davante was just as poor when Garoppolo was the starter. Going back to last season, that's the last 3 QBs this team has had that Davante didn't look like himself. Carr. Garoppolo, and O'Connell. Maybe it's not the QBs. Davante Adams was a first team All-Pro and put up 100 receptions (9th), 1,516 receiving yards (3rd), and 14 TD (1st) last season. He had the second best season of his entire career in 2022. Who said that he didn't look the same? I genuinely feel like this is a troll account at this point. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyRaider Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 9 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Davante Adams was a first team All-Pro and put up 100 receptions (9th), 1,516 receiving yards (3rd), and 14 TD (1st) last season. He had the second best season of his entire career in 2022. Who said that he didn't look the same? I genuinely feel like this is a troll account at this point. Davante was regarded as the best receiver in the game when the Raiders acquired him. There is no one who can honestly say he's been anywhere near that in his time with the Raiders. You think it's a big deal he's an All-Pro when he should be nothing less than that. He hasn't looked elite since he's been here and how many QBs do we have to go through before you say it's not the QBs? You're the troll bro. A clown too. You blame O'Connell for everything. It's no one else's fault but O'Connell according to you. You even went so far as to say this trash O line is top 10 ROFL. You either have a blind hatred for O'Connell or you are truly, epically, and mind boggingly clueless. Edited January 6 by PhillyRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 (edited) 5 minutes ago, PhillyRaider said: Davant4 was regarded as the best receiver in the game when the Raiders acquired him. There is no one who can honestly say he's been anywhere near that in his time with the Raiders. You think it's a big deal he's an All-Pro when he should be nothing less than that. He hasn't looked elite since he's been here and how many QBs do we have to go through before you say it's not the QBs? You're the troll bro. A clown too. You blame O'Connell for everything. It's no one else's fault but O'Connell according to you. You even went so far as to say this trash O line is top 10 ROFL. You either have a blind hatred for O'Connell or you are truly, epically, and mind boggingly clueless. His final season with the Packers: 123 receptions, 1,563 yards (12.3 ypc), 11 TD His first season with the Raiders: 100 receptions, 1,516 yards (15.1 ypc), 14 TD And that's after he went from playing with an all-time great QB to an average/below average one in Carr. He was elite in 2022, arguably the best receiver in the game, that's why he was a 1st team All-Pro. Are you really saying that he has been no where near elite when he was just third in receiving yards and led the league in touchdowns a year ago? PFF has had the Raiders O-Line in the top 10 or hovering just below it all season in their team rankings. If anyone here is clueless it's you bud, the guy that said he would take AOC over Jalen Hurts. We'd be a playoff team this year with even average QB play, AOC being terrible is the main thing that has held us back. Edited January 6 by NYRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyRaider Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 6 minutes ago, NYRaider said: His final season with the Packers: 123 receptions, 1,563 yards (12.3 ypc), 11 TD His first season with the Raiders: 100 receptions, 1,516 yards (15.1 ypc), 14 TD And that's after he went from playing with an all-time great QB to an average/below average one in Carr. He was elite in 2022, arguably the best receiver in the game, that's why he was a 1st team All-Pro. Are you really saying that he has been no where near elite when he was just third in receiving yards and led the league in touchdowns a year ago? PFF has had the Raiders O-Line in the top 10 or hovering just below it all season in their team rankings. If anyone here is clueless it's you bud, the guy that said he would take AOC over Jalen Hurts. We'd be a playoff team this year with even average QB play, AOC being terrible is the main thing that has held us back. I'd like to know how Bonsignore came up with that because this link shows PFF has the Raiders O line ranked 19th. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-offseason This link has them ranked 20th. https://www.the33rdteam.com/2023-nfl-midseason-offensive-line-rankings/ No ranking I've seen says they are top 10, which is what you claimed. Regards to Davante. He had previous experience with Carr in college, had a full offseason of workouts with him, had a full training and a full preseason. Why shouldn't he have those numbers with Carr? He isn't the best receiver in the game anymore. Not even close. He was regarded as that when he was in Green Bay. What's your excuse for him? The same as usual..it's O'Connell fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, PhillyRaider said: Regards to Davante. He had previous experience with Carr in college, had a full offseason of workouts with him, had a full training and a full preseason. Why shouldn't he have those numbers with Carr? He isn't the best receiver in the game anymore. Not even close. He was regarded as that when he was in Green Bay. What's your excuse for him? The same as usual..it's O'Connell fault. You're really going to say he wasn't elite in 2022? Carr is below average and he was still able to produce at the highest level, it wasn't until he was paired with Jimmy and AOC that his production nose dived. Why? Because they're both terrible quarterbacks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 16 hours ago, Jerry said: I mean he is a better backup than Hoyer. Yes but if you going to have a mobile QB of color then ideally you want a similar back up, so you wouldn't have to change the playbook too much if your back up had to come in and play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 4 hours ago, PhillyRaider said: Funny, people said the same thing about Davante last year too. He don't look the same, he don't look his usual, etc. Maybe Davante is in the down side of his career now. Most won't admit that, but all players get old sooner or later. It's not O'Connell fault Davante played poorly this season. Not at all. Davante was just as poor when Garoppolo was the starter. Going back to last season, that's the last 3 QBs this team has had that Davante didn't look like himself. Carr. Garoppolo, and O'Connell. Maybe it's not the QBs. Nope Sorry dude but Adams had to tell Carr just throw the damn ball he was frustrated with Carr in the first 4 games last year then they started cooking. Adams was all pro last year the frustration was with Carr not getting him the ball early on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyRaider Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 4 hours ago, NYRaider said: You're really going to say he wasn't elite in 2022? Carr is below average and he was still able to produce at the highest level, it wasn't until he was paired with Jimmy and AOC that his production nose dived. Why? Because they're both terrible quarterbacks. How many times do I have to say it? Davante Adams isn't elite. Receptions 11th Yards 16th TDs 13th Receptions 20+ Yards 29th Receptions 40+ Yards 29th Receiving YAC/R 55TH Does this look elite to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydFan Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 46 minutes ago, PhillyRaider said: How many times do I have to say it? Davante Adams isn't elite. Receptions 11th Yards 16th TDs 13th Receptions 20+ Yards 29th Receptions 40+ Yards 29th Receiving YAC/R 55TH Does this look elite to you? Wow. Someone please flag this as a troll account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 On 1/4/2024 at 6:04 AM, NYRaider said: Team Moves GM: Ed Dodds HC: Jim Harbaugh OC: Greg Roman DC: Ejiro Evero Roster Moves Cuts: Jimmy Garoppolo, Hunter Renfrow, Jerry Tillery, Brian Hoyer, Brandon Faycon Exceptions: Chandler Jones ($12M in cap space created) Starting Cap Space: $92M Free Agency Re-signings: • Jermaine Eluemunor: 1 yr/$3M • Adam Butler: 2 yr/$4M • Greg Van Rotten: 1 yr/$2M • Jesper Horsted: 1 yr/$1M • Isaiah Palo-Mao 2 yr/$3M Free Agents: • Jaylon Johnson: 3 yr/$48M • Leonard Williams: 3 yr/$42M • Tyron Smith: 1 yr/$10M • Kevin Zeitler: 2 yr/$15M • Javon Kinlaw: 1 yr/$5M • Kendrick Bourne: 1 yr/$5M • Ryan Tannehill: 1 yr/$5M • D'Andre Swift: 2 yr/$13M • Noah Fant: 1 yr/$4M • Brandon Graham: 1 yr/$3M Draft Trade #11 to Indianapolis for #21, #55, #121 21. Michael Penix Jr | QB | Washington 42. T'Vondre Sweat | NT | Texas 52. Jeremiah Trotter Jr. | LB | Clemson 73. Malachi Corley | WR | Western Kentucky 112. Cam Hart | CB | Notre Dame 121. Marshawn Kneeland | Edge | Western Michigan 145. Donovan Edwards | RB | Michigan 201. Brandon Coleman | OL | TCU 220. Sione Vaki | S | Utah 224. Dallin Holker | TE | Colorado State 227. Tez Johnson | WR | Oregon Depth Chart QB - Michael Penix | Ryan Tannehill | Aidan O'Connell RB - D'Andre Swift | Zamir White | Donovan Edwards | Brittan Brown FB - Jakob Johnson WR - Davante Adams | Kendrick Bourne WR - Jakobi Meyers | Tre Tucker | Malachi Corley TE - Michael Mayer | Noah Fant | Jesper Horsted LT - Kolton Miller | Thayer Munford LG - Kevin Zeitler | Jordan Meredith C - Dylan Parham RG - Greg Van Rotten | Brandon Coleman RT - Tyron Smith | Jermaine Eluemunor ------------------------------------------ DE - Maxx Crosby | Malcolm Koonce DT - Leonard Williams | Adam Butler | Byron Young DT - T'Vondre Sweat | Javon Kinlaw DE - Tyree Wilson | Brandon Graham | Marshawn Kneeland LB - Robert Spillane LB - Divine Deablo | Luke Masterson LB - Jeremiah Trotter | Amari Burney CB - Jaylon Johnson | Jakorian Bennett | Cam Hart CB - Jack Jones | Nate Hobbs | Tyler Hall SS - Marcus Epps | Isaiah Palo-Maoa FS - Trevon Moehrig | Chris Smith | Sione Vaki I’m not familiar with all the draft picks yet but like the FA moves. CB G & DT are the major needs imo apart from QB, figures look realistic as well. Would be happpy with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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