rlon Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Killebrew has made me a believer, but how about having more depth in talent within our receiving corps next year? I saw Boykin oblivious to the ball on a touch back in a big situation last game. What is the real value here? His benefit to me is to know it’s time to start drinking when I see him lined up as a receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Boykin has done far more good on STs than bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsteeld Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, warfelg said: Boykin has done far more good on STs than bad. He's an excellent Gunner and also excels at kickoff coverage. All WRs/CBs aren't all-star material. You need some fast guys who are willing to get dirty and Boykin excels at that. Yes he didn't locate the ball on a punt but all players, regardless of position, make similar mistakes. Matthew Slater is not known as a receiver but he had an excellent 16 year career as a ST ace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeler Hitman Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, rlon said: Killebrew has made me a believer, but how about having more depth in talent within our receiving corps next year? They are definitely going to add to the WR room. Most likely they are looking for a slot guy. Allen Robinson was seldom used and it wasn't always because he didn't get open. I like the bigger slot guys, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Pickens and Johnson rotating there more next year. I saw Boykin oblivious to the ball on a touch back in a big situation last game. What is the real value here? Others answered the special teams portion which is accurate, but he is also a pretty good run blocker. Overall, he is not exciting or sexy by any means as a football player. The team has typically run probably 90%-95% when Boykin is in. You need some of those guys. Miles had a bad game too, but rebounded well. They can certainly upgrade the receiver aspect, but he is a solid punt team gunner and not Olshevsky. 😀 His benefit to me is to know it’s time to start drinking when I see him lined up as a receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlon Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, armsteeld said: He's an excellent Gunner and also excels at kickoff coverage. All WRs/CBs aren't all-star material. You need some fast guys who are willing to get dirty and Boykin excels at that. Yes he didn't locate the ball on a punt but all players, regardless of position, make similar mistakes. Matthew Slater is not known as a receiver but he had an excellent 16 year career as a ST ace. I think I’d rather be 5 deep at WR than have Boykin…I’m sure they can draft someone who has value at a position and on special teams. Point is, Killebrew is a keeper, we don’t need two more players, besides the 3 core specialists, with little to no positional value. Bad enough you have 4 of those players taking up cap space, the fifth is unnecessary. Move on… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlon Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 They are definitely going to add to the WR room. Most likely they are looking for a slot guy. Allen Robinson was seldom used and it wasn't always because he didn't get open. I like the bigger slot guys, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Pickens and Johnson rotating there more next year.^^^^^^^^^^ Robinson will be gone unless he agrees to the vet minimum. To me, Deionte Johnson has the perfect skill set for the slot/good short area quickness, as long as he runs forward. I’d like to see the Steelers get another big body who can be a deep threat, but with Johnson’s ability to go outside, I suppose it gives them flexibility to also think about a strong slot like Corley. So, there are two types of receivers the Steelers can consider, inside and outside. I’d like to think they will get a good value out of the draft here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, rlon said: I think I’d rather be 5 deep at WR than have Boykin…I’m sure they can draft someone who has value at a position and on special teams. Point is, Killebrew is a keeper, we don’t need two more players, besides the 3 core specialists, with little to no positional value. Bad enough you have 4 of those players taking up cap space, the fifth is unnecessary. Move on… The issue isn’t that Boykin is too many ST specific players. Most teams have 2-4 core ST guys outside of K/P. The issue is that we have Austin and ARob who aren’t contributing enough on offense so the few times Boykin (a decent blocker FYI) comes in, it becomes more glaring. IMO Austin is the guy who should be the target of this convo. Decent punt returners are a dime a dozen, and they should be good for gadget plays on offense. If you aren’t contributing as that or the occasional lid lifter, why are you here? Especially when you don’t contribute on KR or coverage units either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, warfelg said: The issue isn’t that Boykin is too many ST specific players. Most teams have 2-4 core ST guys outside of K/P. The issue is that we have Austin and ARob who aren’t contributing enough on offense so the few times Boykin (a decent blocker FYI) comes in, it becomes more glaring. IMO Austin is the guy who should be the target of this convo. Decent punt returners are a dime a dozen, and they should be good for gadget plays on offense. If you aren’t contributing as that or the occasional lid lifter, why are you here? Especially when you don’t contribute on KR or coverage units either. Upgrading the #3 and #4 WRs is a much more pressing need than upgrading the #5/ST guy. Boykin being a one trick pony isn't that big of a deal when you get good production from the guys ahead of him on the depth chart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, warfelg said: The issue isn’t that Boykin is too many ST specific players. Most teams have 2-4 core ST guys outside of K/P. The issue is that we have Austin and ARob who aren’t contributing enough on offense so the few times Boykin (a decent blocker FYI) comes in, it becomes more glaring. IMO Austin is the guy who should be the target of this convo. Decent punt returners are a dime a dozen, and they should be good for gadget plays on offense. If you aren’t contributing as that or the occasional lid lifter, why are you here? Especially when you don’t contribute on KR or coverage units either. They barely attempt to use Austin in our offense. Thats my issue. And good punt returners arent as common as you make it seem. Not saying Austin should be here long term, but Id like to see him in an offense with a decent QB and an OC that tries to use him for something other than posts and fly routes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Austin is the same size as Zay Flowers so. The only reason he is not used is the playbook is unimaginative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsteeld Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 19 hours ago, MOSteelers56 said: Upgrading the #3 and #4 WRs is a much more pressing need than upgrading the #5/ST guy. Boykin being a one trick pony isn't that big of a deal when you get good production from the guys ahead of him on the depth chart. I don't think the team is utilizing Calvin Austin III properly. He's too shifty, too fast, and runs good routes but QB play was handicapping the offense. I don't know if our new OC combo can free CAIII to make plays because we're focusing more on jumbo personnel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 hours ago, armsteeld said: I don't think the team is utilizing Calvin Austin III properly. He's too shifty, too fast, and runs good routes but QB play was handicapping the offense. I don't know if our new OC combo can free CAIII to make plays because we're focusing more on jumbo personnel. I don't disagree. I think the major problem, talent wise, is Robinson. Austin still has some potential. But, the overall problem is a lack of an offensive system that highlights players strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zflairway Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/13/2024 at 4:25 AM, rlon said: Killebrew has made me a believer, but how about having more depth in talent within our receiving corps next year? I saw Boykin oblivious to the ball on a touch back in a big situation last game. What is the real value here? His benefit to me is to know it’s time to start drinking when I see him lined up as a receiver. Killebrew makes me a believer at wing on punt team. I hope hes not the personal protector 😆 There should be 14 spots on the team for special teams instead of depth transformative moves with no impact. You take your lumps and bruises and rely on your special guys to bring their lunch pail. 😒 You draft Donnie Shell in the 10th rd to be a wing on special teams 🦇 and he turns into a HOF safety 🤵 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zflairway Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, armsteeld said: I don't think the team is utilizing Calvin Austin III properly. He's too shifty, too fast, and runs good routes but QB play was handicapping the offense. I don't know if our new OC combo can free CAIII to make plays because we're focusing more on jumbo personnel. Austin is a special teamer that plays on a team that doesnt allocate resources to special teams. Gunner changes teams and is back to his normal self 😴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zflairway Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 22 hours ago, jebrick said: Austin is the same size as Zay Flowers so. The only reason he is not used is the playbook is unimaginative. Zay is stronger and has better presence. Its like CJ2K to Dri Archer 🤫 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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