Nbanflguy Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 minutes ago, Louis Friend said: You think the Lions mismanaged the clock but they really just adhered to sportsmanship and kept quickly to end it. Again, if Bowles uses the timeout, your premise is everything else remains the same but that’s not true. That’s not the premise at all. We aren’t saying Bowles calls timeout after first down after everything still stays the same. We are saying Bowles gave up…. And then the Lions mismanaged the clock and gave him an opportunity that he didn’t take 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Nbanflguy said: That’s not the premise at all. We aren’t saying Bowles calls timeout after first down after everything still stays the same. We are saying Bowles gave up…. And then the Lions mismanaged the clock and gave him an opportunity that he didn’t take This, exactly. Well said. And I hope my team never "concedes like a gentleman" if they have a chance to win. Edited January 23 by TL-TwoWinsAway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 But, now that Bowles and Campbell have clarified things, I think we can let this topic die. I appreciate the discussion from all sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jameson_Neat Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Nbanflguy said: That’s not the premise at all. We aren’t saying Bowles calls timeout after first down after everything still stays the same. We are saying Bowles gave up…. And then the Lions mismanaged the clock and gave him an opportunity that he didn’t take Ah, so you wanted him to go back on his word and take back the concession? This is what y'all are banging the drum for? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Nbanflguy said: That’s not the premise at all. We aren’t saying Bowles calls timeout after first down after everything still stays the same. We are saying Bowles gave up…. And then the Lions mismanaged the clock and gave him an opportunity that he didn’t take So because sportsmanship isn’t a real thing to you, Lions were in the wrong because Bowles could have gone rogue but he didn’t so he gave up and doesn’t care about winning? That’s an even worse argument than I thought you guys had. The not knowing if there was a timeout or not was bad but this is just weird. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jameson_Neat said: Ah, so you wanted him to go back on his word and take back the concession? This is what y'all are banging the drum for? 😂 but he didn’t so he doesn’t want to win and should be fired Edited January 23 by Louis Friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Quote "First of all, we didn't handle that whole thing well on our end," Campbell said. "We should've bled it more than we did. Look, I'll be the first to admit that, and that's on me. We knew they had a timeout left, and I could tell he wasn't gonna call it. So, that's just, that's how it ended." The Lions had the ball and could run out the game. Bowles conceded, Campbell saw it and told Goff to just run out the game disregarding playclock. He now wishes he had not done so because of manufactured drama. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Louis Friend said: So because sportsmanship isn’t a real thing to you, Lions were in the wrong because Bowles could have gone rogue but he didn’t so he gave up and doesn’t care about winning? That’s an even worse argument than I thought you guys had. The not knowing if there was a timeout or not was bad but this is just weird. These arguments are akin to diving at linemen's knees on kneeldowns. "What, they're just supposed to give up??" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 11 hours ago, NudeTayne said: If ownership played this right, this could paint them as the heroes if they fire Bowles now instead of likely a lame-duck season incoming. The Bucs just overachieved. Why would they fire Bowles? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, nagahide13 said: These arguments are akin to diving at linemen's knees on kneeldowns. "What, they're just supposed to give up??" Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nbanflguy Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Jameson_Neat said: Ah, so you wanted him to go back on his word and take back the concession? This is what y'all are banging the drum for? I am sorry, do you think the coaches came to some handshake agreement across the insanely loud field at the end of the game? The thought process for both coaches was probably something like “with 1:30 left, time out or no timeout, 3 kneel downs ends this game.” Then at Dan Campbell’s own admission the Lions completely brain farted and botched it. Creating an opportunity for the Bucs that previously didn’t exist. Bowles apparently realized this and did nothing Edited January 23 by Nbanflguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, Nbanflguy said: I am sorry, do you think the coaches came to some handshake agreement across the insanely loud field at the end of the game? The thought process for both coaches was probably something like “with 1:30 left time out or no timeout 3 kneel downs ends this game.” Then at Dan Campbell’s own admission the Lions completely brain farted and botched it. Creating an opportunity for the Bucs that previously didn’t exist. Bowles apparently realized this and did nothing What most of us think is that Detroit could kill the clock. Everyone started doing handshakes, including Bowles. Campbell saw that and just told Goff to kill the game. I don't think that Bowles was paying attention anymore at that point. That is why Dan Campbell didn't care and they "mismanaged" the clock. If Bowles was on the sideline, still prepared to call a timeout then Dan Campbell would not have "mismanaged" the clock. Nobody particularly wants to admit that everyone stopped paying attention, and the winning coach graciously took the "blame". Pretty silly to assume that 2 pro coaches and a QB and everyone in the huddle are all simultaneously the ones that don't understand what's going on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, mse326 said: Let's run the 3 scenarios Kick 2 XPT's 95% conversion rate means you have a 90.2% chance of making both going to overitme Assuming a 50% of winning in OT you have a 45.1% of winning the game Kick XPT then Go for 2 95% conversion rate means 1)95% chance you are within 7 and 2)a 5% you are within 8 If 1) then a 55% conversion rate on 2pt conversion means 52.25% chance of winning If 2) then a 55% conversion rate on 2pt conversion means 2.75% of getting to OT and 1.375% of winning So combined you have a 53.625% chance of winning Go for 2 and then XPT or 2 based on result 55% conversion rate means 1)55% chance you are within 6 and 2)45% you are within 8 If 1) then a 95% conversion rate means A) 52.25% you win the game and B) 2.75% you go to OT If B) then assuming 50% chance of winning in OT is 1.375% you win If 2) then a 55% conversion rate means a 24.75% you go to OT and a 12.375% you win So combined you have a 66% of winning Going for 2 twice is the right decision pretty clearly Yeah I saw another video on this last night and now it makes complete sense. Just didn't click for me at the time! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) Its bizarre to me to call Bowles a bad coach when this team was projected to win 4-7 games and went to the divisional round. Edited January 23 by Thelonebillsfan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 32 minutes ago, Thelonebillsfan said: Its bizarre to me to call Bowles a bad coach when this team was projected to win 4-7 games and went to the divisional round. Yep. I get that he's not Andy Reid, but he did a really good job this year. Made a smart OC hire and got a lot of out their defense. Firing him could lead to an upgrade. It could also lead to a terrible coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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