mwalker Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) Some folks I like, some more than others: QB K.Cousins (Big move. If not, maybe I'm looking at Penix.) RB - Not a big need. WR - I think the big ones stay home (Higgins, Evans, etc.) C.Ridley - Could be a very interesting #3 T.Boyd G.Davis - Would add toughness. Can he play slot? OC A.James L.Cushenberry T.Biadasz - think he fits us best, personally, even if he's solid more than great. (And I'm still drafting one) OT - Honestly don't see the solution here in free agency. (I'm drafting) OG - Not as urgent for me in FA. DL C.Wilkins - My favourite FA target (And I'd cut LarryO) J.Madubuike D.Jones J.Kinlaw - pretty interesting R.Davis OLB - not a huge need for me, as I'd bring back Golden LB J.Brooks P.Queen - think he'd be great for us D.White - could he find his younger self? CB J.Johnson - might not make it to FA, but we all know the Steelers tried to trade for him L.Sneed - My other favourite FA target C.Awuzie S - maybe the strongest in terms of variety of players A.Winfield Jr - don't think he's what we need or that he hits FA K.Dugger - could be very interesting K.Curl J.Blackmon X.McKinney - really like him too G.Delpit - could be interesting G.Stone Edited January 26 by mwalker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 your bold candidates would really help the team, especially at ILB, CB and S. Wilkins would be a major help but if we waste players in a rotation, why waste that cap value then. If he was full time on the DL, for sure. Queen for sure, maybe bring back Rell for ILB if he could do that since he has range and is a great run defender as well. Not sure how Holcomb returns from such an injury so why not make sure about ILB and get Queen and keep Roberts. Too bad Kwon got hurt, he was playing well Do you think Khan goes OT for RD1 then C for RD2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zflairway Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 12 hours ago, mwalker said: Some folks I like, some more than others: QB K.Cousins (Big move. If not, maybe I'm looking at Penix.) RB - Not a big need. WR - I think the big ones stay home (Higgins, Evans, etc.) C.Ridley - Could be a very interesting #3 T.Boyd G.Davis - Would add toughness. Can he play slot? OC A.James L.Cushenberry T.Biadasz - think he fits us best, personally, even if he's solid more than great. (And I'm still drafting one) OT - Honestly don't see the solution here in free agency. (I'm drafting) OG - Not as urgent for me in FA. DL C.Wilkins - My favourite FA target (And I'd cut LarryO) J.Madubuike D.Jones J.Kinlaw - pretty interesting R.Davis OLB - not a huge need for me, as I'd bring back Golden LB J.Brooks P.Queen - think he'd be great for us D.White - could he find his younger self? CB J.Johnson - might not make it to FA, but we all know the Steelers tried to trade for him L.Sneed - My other favourite FA target C.Awuzie S - maybe the strongest in terms of variety of players A.Winfield Jr - don't think he's what we need or that he hits FA K.Dugger - could be very interesting K.Curl J.Blackmon X.McKinney - really like him too G.Delpit - could be interesting G.Stone I don't think one of these moves is any good but don't take it too hard they'll do much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwalker Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 12 hours ago, 3rivers said: your bold candidates would really help the team, especially at ILB, CB and S. Wilkins would be a major help but if we waste players in a rotation, why waste that cap value then. If he was full time on the DL, for sure. Queen for sure, maybe bring back Rell for ILB if he could do that since he has range and is a great run defender as well. Not sure how Holcomb returns from such an injury so why not make sure about ILB and get Queen and keep Roberts. Too bad Kwon got hurt, he was playing well Do you think Khan goes OT for RD1 then C for RD2? Currently, I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I would not pay for Cousins or Wilson. Get Brissett or Minshew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 51 minutes ago, jebrick said: I would not pay for Cousins or Wilson. Get Brissett or Minshew what about if they keep KP, then keep MR2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwalker Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, 3rivers said: what about if they keep KP, then keep MR2? If this team just runs it back with KP and Mason, I'll be genuinely disappointed. Mason is not the future starter. KP may or may not be. So either get someone to compete with KP (as a longer term) or someone to immediately start while he grows. That's my belief anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 13 hours ago, 3rivers said: what about if they keep KP, then keep MR2? They are keeping KP. You need to sign one Vet(Rudolph, Minshew, Brissett) and have one rookie/development QB. Unless you consider KP the development QB then you need another vet Edited January 27 by jebrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, jebrick said: They are keeping KP. You need to sign one Vet(Rudolph, Minshew, Brissett) and have one rookie/development QB. Unless you consider KP the development QB then you need another vet thats what I thought , unless they make the big trade for a QB like Fields They probably opt for KP and Mason and let KP play out his contract with new OC and see how that goes. New OC could make for a major leap, especially considering what was here before. However, bad LT and C play will still force KP to scramble early and possibly get hurt as usual and miss open WR's in the process. OL needs to be fixed at both spots before a fair evaluation of KP can be had . I don't think the ceiling is high, but having canada/tomlin OL doesn't help KP at all. MR2 was better, he stayed in the pocket as it collapsed thanks to LT and C. Going into year 3 of the RD1 QB's deal and not sure about it. Thats what tomlins OC and OL has allowed, 2 years lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ward4HOF Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I'm not judging KP until he gets an opportunity to run the offense under a half-way decent OC. I know most teams' fans despise their OC, but there was no competition--we absolutely had the WORST OC in the NFL last year. The first game and a half, following Canada's firing, he went 31/43 for 348yds 0 TDs and 0 Ints, with a rating of 95.9. Secondly, in a grand total of, what 23 games started and completed, he had a winning percentage, and had 7 Game Winning Drives. Please tell me if I'm wrong, but during those, I'm assuming he had a bit more freedom for play selection/execution??? Ultimately, I believe he deserves a chance to go out this season and try to prove himself, but I also wouldn't be surprised if one of the potential 1st Rd QBs slipped down the boards, that Khan-Lin would consider taking one (I'm not advocating this, but remember, Pickett was a Colbert selection, not Khan's) We have so many other pressing needs that I think that would be a mistake. Especially, considering Pickett hasn't been given a fair shot, IMO. The other option just discussed, would be to bring in Fields. I'd rather they did that, then spend a Day 1 or Day 2 pick on a QB. But again, not advocating it...but given the option between the two, I'd rather bring in a QB that has actually had some success in the league, then roll the dice on whoever we could grab at 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFF Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 40 minutes ago, Ward4HOF said: I'm not judging KP until he gets an opportunity to run the offense under a half-way decent OC. I know most teams' fans despise their OC, but there was no competition--we absolutely had the WORST OC in the NFL last year. The first game and a half, following Canada's firing, he went 31/43 for 348yds 0 TDs and 0 Ints, with a rating of 95.9. Secondly, in a grand total of, what 23 games started and completed, he had a winning percentage, and had 7 Game Winning Drives. Please tell me if I'm wrong, but during those, I'm assuming he had a bit more freedom for play selection/execution??? Ultimately, I believe he deserves a chance to go out this season and try to prove himself, but I also wouldn't be surprised if one of the potential 1st Rd QBs slipped down the boards, that Khan-Lin would consider taking one (I'm not advocating this, but remember, Pickett was a Colbert selection, not Khan's) We have so many other pressing needs that I think that would be a mistake. Especially, considering Pickett hasn't been given a fair shot, IMO. The other option just discussed, would be to bring in Fields. I'd rather they did that, then spend a Day 1 or Day 2 pick on a QB. But again, not advocating it...but given the option between the two, I'd rather bring in a QB that has actually had some success in the league, then roll the dice on whoever we could grab at 20. Rudolph came in cold and performed better than Pickett…the same Rudolph no one else wanted. Rudolph was just making reads and making decent throws and taking some shots downfield….nothing out of touch for a 1st round picks with 5 years of college experience and being “pro ready”. Not being a jerk…but I totally disagree. However…I think a Pickett/Rudolph(or comparable vet) is a possibility as they lock up other spots positioning their selves for a trade up in the 2025 draft for their QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeler Hitman Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 On 1/26/2024 at 1:10 AM, mwalker said: Some folks I like, some more than others: Thanks for putting this together. Interesting list. QB K.Cousins (Big move. If not, maybe I'm looking at Penix.) I honestly think you have to give Pickett a shot. He did not have the support of a good scheme and the OL and rushing game let him down for the most part. I also thought that expectations were too high too fast. Year three will be his make or break. I would love to bring Mason back as #2 or even 1B in a worse case scenario. I would add a player like Minshew, Wentz, or Brissett. RB - Not a big need. I think Igwebuike and McFarland could fill in as solid #3's. McFarland can't seem to stay healthy though. WR - I think the big ones stay home (Higgins, Evans, etc.) C.Ridley - Could be a very interesting #3, T.Boyd, G.Davis - Would add toughness. Can he play slot? Ridley and Boyd would both be interesting. I would probably prefer to go a little cheaper here and draft a guy between round 4-6. Someone mentioned Braxton Berrios in another thread, I think he would fit as well and maybe cost a little less than Ridley and Boyd. Another idea is to bring back Ray Ray McCloud or Ju Ju Smith Schuster. Ray Ray did well in that role here and cashed in with the 49'ers. Ju Ju is interesting because of his size and ability to block. OC A.James, L.Cushenberry, T.Biadasz - think he fits us best, personally, even if he's solid more than great. (And I'm still drafting one) You picked two of the guys I mentioned. I liked both Biadasz and Cushenberry coming out of college. JPJ looks like my #1 pick for center. I also like Frazier, but I am afraid he wouldn't last until pick 51 in round two. OT - Honestly don't see the solution here in free agency. (I'm drafting) Drafting a guy, but would consider Trent Brown. OG - Not as urgent for me in FA. I am happy with the top three guys and a young guy in the wings. DL C.Wilkins - My favourite FA target (And I'd cut LarryO) J.Madubuike, D.Jones, J.Kinlaw - pretty interesting, R.Davis I am looking to draft a guy. I just posted on a candidate that I am going to research from the EW Shrine Bowl Myles Murphy from North Carolina. I would cut Ogunjobi, unless I can get his salary down some. My signings would be less expensive, but provide more depth, nit necessarily splash: Quentin Jefferson and Javon Bullard. OLB - not a huge need for me, as I'd bring back Golden Golden and Herbig provide the best depth the Steelers have had at OLB in a while. LB J.Brooks P.Queen - think he'd be great for us D.White - could he find his younger self? I am fine with Roberts, Holcomb, and I would resign Kwon if healthy enough. I would add Isaiah Simmons for coverage. I think he's a superior athlete hybrid type at ILB. He can provide some pass coverage and speed. He also won't cost a lot of $$$$. CB J.Johnson - might not make it to FA, but we all know the Steelers tried to trade for him L.Sneed - My other favourite FA target C.Awuzie Johnson or Sneed and I would look to add Shaq Griffin as a third CB. S - maybe the strongest in terms of variety of players A.Winfield Jr - don't think he's what we need or that he hits FA K.Dugger - could be very interesting K.Curl J.Blackmon X.McKinney - really like him too G.Delpit - could be interesting G.Stone Kyle Dugger is my guy if they don't get a Sneed or Johnson. My plan B's are bringing Edmonds back or Jeremy Chin. Punter is on the radar. I am looking to draft or potentially sign someone. The Percy Harvin experiment has run its course. 26 minutes ago, Ward4HOF said: I'm not judging KP until he gets an opportunity to run the offense under a half-way decent OC. I know most teams' fans despise their OC, but there was no competition--we absolutely had the WORST OC in the NFL last year. The first game and a half, following Canada's firing, he went 31/43 for 348yds 0 TDs and 0 Ints, with a rating of 95.9. I have been saying this. It was not just the OC, but the game plan and blocking was horrible. Pickett took a lot of hits and became a bit gun shy/happy feet. His pocket presence was horrible because of the onslaught of defenders. I would love to see him play with a good lead and an OL that is clicking. Secondly, in a grand total of, what 23 games started and completed, he had a winning percentage, and had 7 Game Winning Drives. Please tell me if I'm wrong, but during those, I'm assuming he had a bit more freedom for play selection/execution??? I am putting something together on this. Pickett has been 6-4 and 7-3 in 2022 and 2023 in games he started and finished. He is 13-13 TD/INT and has been sacked 50 times in 25 games. That includes getting knocked out of three or four games. Ultimately, I believe he deserves a chance to go out this season and try to prove himself, but I also wouldn't be surprised if one of the potential 1st Rd QBs slipped down the boards, that Khan-Lin would consider taking one (I'm not advocating this, but remember, Pickett was a Colbert selection, not Khan's) We have so many other pressing needs that I think that would be a mistake. Especially, considering Pickett hasn't been given a fair shot, IMO. Give the offense tools to be successful: a rushing attack, play action, some stuff under center, utilizing the TE, and learning how to effectively run a screen play. There's a lot of meat on the bones there. The other option just discussed, would be to bring in Fields. I'd rather they did that, then spend a Day 1 or Day 2 pick on a QB. But again, not advocating it...but given the option between the two, I'd rather bring in a QB that has actually had some success in the league, then roll the dice on whoever we could grab at 20. I am not a fan of this. He's a year older and has the same issues. Yes he is mobile and can move well, but I want a QB who can pass and hand-off. If the price was right, I wouldn't hate it, but I see other opportunities to improve this team and I don't want other needs to suffer because we gave up picks to get a QB who is a potential project as well. Build up the OL and put pieces in place around the qb so that even if you have to go get one, he is coming into a situation where he has tools in place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ward4HOF Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 16 minutes ago, AFF said: Rudolph came in cold and performed better than Pickett…the same Rudolph no one else wanted. Rudolph was just making reads and making decent throws and taking some shots downfield….nothing out of touch for a 1st round picks with 5 years of college experience and being “pro ready”. Not being a jerk…but I totally disagree. However…I think a Pickett/Rudolph(or comparable vet) is a possibility as they lock up other spots positioning their selves for a trade up in the 2025 draft for their QB. How about we compare apples to apples...When Rudolph came in under Canada in 2021... 35/58 60.3% 277yds 4.8YPA 1TD 1 INT 70.8 Rating 45.4 QBR Remember, Mason didn't come in until after Canada was gone... ...and if we compared Pickett's 1 game-plus to Mason's 4 games after Canada was fired, their production was comparable... I am in no way saying Pickett is the better option than Rudolph...or another qb brought in; what I am saying, is IMO, he should be given a legitimate opportunity next season, especially after he passed for more yards (the VERY next game after Canada was fired, mind you), than the Steelers team as a whole produced in 5 of the 10 games played up to that point in 2023... ...let that sink in for a second, He passed for 278 yds the first game following Canada's firing, while Mason faced the 20th and 28th ranked, as well as Baltimore's B-team, Defense; and when he finally did face a decent Defense, he had a Rating of 80/QBR of 40, and a 56% completion rate. Whereas Kenny faced the Baltimore A-Team, the top ranked Pass D in the Browns...twice, as well as other stout defenses like SF, LVR, GB...and when he finally got an 'easy' defense, in the Bengals, he performed, overall, nearly as well as Mason did. I'm sure this all sounds like excuses, etc., but my point is, he's demonstrated the ability to play the position well, when the environmental factors suited, and not so well, when they did not. Pickett's only played 23 full NFL games...barely a season and a half, and as a 1st round pick, he should be afforded a legitimate opportunity, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlon Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 16 minutes ago, Ward4HOF said: How about we compare apples to apples...When Rudolph came in under Canada in 2021... 35/58 60.3% 277yds 4.8YPA 1TD 1 INT 70.8 Rating 45.4 QBR Remember, Mason didn't come in until after Canada was gone... ...and if we compared Pickett's 1 game-plus to Mason's 4 games after Canada was fired, their production was comparable... I am in no way saying Pickett is the better option than Rudolph...or another qb brought in; what I am saying, is IMO, he should be given a legitimate opportunity next season, especially after he passed for more yards (the VERY next game after Canada was fired, mind you), than the Steelers team as a whole produced in 5 of the 10 games played up to that point in 2023... ...let that sink in for a second, He passed for 278 yds the first game following Canada's firing, while Mason faced the 20th and 28th ranked, as well as Baltimore's B-team, Defense; and when he finally did face a decent Defense, he had a Rating of 80/QBR of 40, and a 56% completion rate. Whereas Kenny faced the Baltimore A-Team, the top ranked Pass D in the Browns...twice, as well as other stout defenses like SF, LVR, GB...and when he finally got an 'easy' defense, in the Bengals, he performed, overall, nearly as well as Mason did. I'm sure this all sounds like excuses, etc., but my point is, he's demonstrated the ability to play the position well, when the environmental factors suited, and not so well, when they did not. Pickett's only played 23 full NFL games...barely a season and a half, and as a 1st round pick, he should be afforded a legitimate opportunity, IMO. Very good points, love this post. I am not saying that Kenny is better either, but I understand context within the performances. The INT in the end zone was downright awful, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I've got nothing wrong with giving Kenny another shot, but I don't think he's earned to have the keys to the offense just handed back to him. He needs to actually win the job back. I know this isn't the most ringing endorsement, but I think Kenny has a similar makeup to Tannehill. He's probably on par in terms of athleticism with Tennessee Tanny. He probably doesn't have quite the arm strength. I'm just concerned we broke Kenny with Canada. I'm not sure he can regain his composure after getting pummeled while having no hot reads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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