***SPOILERS*** Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi SPOILER Thread

[MKnight82]

4 minutes ago, JonStark said:

So let me get this straight. One complaint is that TLJ basically made TFA pointless, and another complaint is now that the Resistance survived without any help from the "unnecessary" casino scene. They survived BECAUSE Luke saved them, which would not have happened if they didn't track him down in the previous movie.  

A lot of these complaints really contradict themselves. 

I’m sorry but spending an entire movie looking for someone who gives you a 5 min head start is incredibly lame.  He also didn’t train Rey.  

[JonStark]

Just now, MKnight82 said:

I’m sorry but spending an entire movie looking for someone who gives you a 5 min head start is incredibly lame.  He also didn’t train Rey.  

Ok, this is getting insane. HE SAVED THEIR LIVES! Without Luke, the Resistance is no more. That's not even debatable. Saying all he did was give them a 5 minute head start is the biggest joke of a complaint I've seen in this thread so far. 

[MKnight82]

12 minutes ago, JonStark said:

Ok, this is getting insane. HE SAVED THEIR LIVES! Without Luke, the Resistance is no more. That's not even debatable. Saying all he did was give them a 5 minute head start is the biggest joke of a complaint I've seen in this thread so far. 

He literally stalled for 5 min while they left.

Dude whatever.  You appear to want to defend every aspect of any obviously flawed movie.

[fretgod99]

I thought Canto Bight dragged a little, as did a couple other parts of the movie. I thought BB-8 played the savior too many times, felt like a get out of jail bit too much for me. I don't have any issues with Leia using force powers, but how it was depicted on screen for me felt a little off.

I'm seeing it again this weekend, so I'm sure I'll be reminded of a couple of other bits. Like the mirrors, not sure how I felt about that. First time through I didn't feel like there was as much payoff as I would have liked there, but I want to check it out again.

 

As I've maintained, I have never thought it was a perfect movie. But I think it was a lot of fun, took some bold steps, and yes, I honestly believe it furthers the whole Star Wars saga. I also don't have problems with people having issues with how some things were done. I think some complaints are pretty baseless (Luke's character, undoing of TFA, etc.). But there are valid complaints. However when someone's response to the movie is that it's terrible because of a bunch of pet theory reasons, nobody could possibly like it, and the first response to reading someone's positive review is "That person was clearly paid by Disney", I feel justified in ignoring everything that person has to say about the movie. That's obviously not you I'm referring to, @MKnight82.

[cddolphin]

11 hours ago, fretgod99 said:

Like the mirrors, not sure how I felt about that.

There must be some kind of meaning there I missed.

[StLunatic88]

18 hours ago, MKnight82 said:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi/ 

With a 49% rating on rotten tomatoes it seems a lot of people disagree with your opinion.  

Fan groups have already taken responsibility for spamming all rating sites with bad reviews. Invalid point

[MKnight82]

41 minutes ago, cddolphin said:

There must be some kind of meaning there I missed.

Well if the revelation that her parents are no one important, and she was just given away, she basically raised herself.  

[StLunatic88]

49 minutes ago, cddolphin said:

There must be some kind of meaning there I missed.

She says that she went there looking for it to show her something, but what she found (and what the dark side gave her) was Nothing. Nothing is the point, it emphasizes that she is No one, its why she is crying when kylo says it to her, because she knows its true (he even points it out that she has always known).

When she got to the end, to the fogged mirror, it looks like there is about to be 2 figures approach her from the other side (hinting that it would be her parents) but it ends up just being the reflection of herself, because again, its just her, its always been just her.

[MWil23]

I'm far from a Star Wars expert, but I do enjoy the movies. I'll post my honest thoughts about TLJ after watching it.

Benecio Del Toro's character was confusing. I'm not exactly sure what the point was, unless they plan on using him again in the next movie.

Snoke: If he's a throw-away character, I'm disappointed. 

Luke: This one is more complicated, but I'll take a stab at it. Luke has always been whiny and emotional. I've always enjoyed his character, because almost all of us can relate to him. He loves his friends. He's impulsive. He's emotional. He's a flawed hero. Even as a grown man he acts young. Yoda addressing him as "young" this film was extremely fitting. Doing the "right" thing at the end of the movie, arrogance at all, was very appropriate. People have remembered him as perfect, when even in the original trilogy, he was FAR from it. Here's my honest thoughts: I THOUGHT he was going to be "blown up"/disappear with the force in the initial gun barrage. I wasn't surprised at all by the final "fight" between him and Ren. In the TWIST of him projecting himself using the Force across the galaxy, I LOVED it. Then, when he actually disappeared for real, I was very disappointed. I know that they wanted to portray him at peace, use him in the next as a force ghost, etc., but I thought that they missed a huge opportunity here, especially with Fisher dying in real life. JMHO

Not a fan of what they did with Finn, his love interest's character at all, or how he's supposed to win that fight as a former janitor...and how is Rose/Finn AWESOME at flying everything. We have gone from not knowing how to use the tripod stilt to being AWESOME at it in less than a minute.

Po: I'm torn on whether or not I LOVE his character or if he should have died in Episode 7.

The Knights of Ren: Not mentioned in the movie, along with Snoke as a throwaway, was disappointing

Yoda: REALLY liked that scene A LOT

Chewbacca: I wished that they would have involved him more in the film. Just a preference.

The Casino Scene: Confusing and pointless

Overall, I liked the movie and will withhold judgment until Episode 9 on just how good it was. Honestly, and the critics agree, most HATED ESB until ROTJ, and it made the 2nd film MUCH better with actual context. I'm not saying that the same will happen here, but it's a possibility. There were some missed opportunities, but if Episode 9 does it right and answers them, it could come full circle.

[D82]

I’ve already said my thoughts on the movie  earlier, but I will say I really enjoyed Ren and Ray fighting off Snoke’s guards. That was an awesome scene. 

[thrILL!]

On 1/9/2018 at 4:47 PM, MKnight82 said:

I’m sorry but spending an entire movie looking for someone who gives you a 5 min head start is incredibly lame.  He also didn’t train Rey.  

He didn’t just stall them; he single handedly defeated them without stepping foot on the planet.  And it wasn’t just a 5 min head start.   They got away clean.  Admiral Holdo destroyed the First Order’s ability to track them when she destroyed the Super Destroyer.  

And Luke DID train her; just not in the same way as Yoda trained him.  He told her all she needed to know which Yoda confirmed.  She didn’t need to do somersaults across the island; she just needed the veil lifted. 

[MKnight82]

1 minute ago, thrILL! said:

He didn’t just stall them; he single handedly defeated them without stepping foot on the planet.  And it wasn’t just a 5 min head start.   They got away clean.  Admiral Holdo destroyed the First Order’s ability to track them when she destroyed the Super Destroyer.  

And Luke DID train her; just not in the same way as Yoda trained him.  He told her all she needed to know which Yoda confirmed.  She didn’t need to do somersaults across the island; she just needed the veil lifted. 

You think a handful of them escaping is getting away clean?  They got massacred, then Luke stalled for a few min while the remaining scraps snuck out the back door.  How in the world did Luke defeat anyone?

All Luke did was tell her why the Jedi needed to end.  

[thrILL!]

1 hour ago, MKnight82 said:

You think a handful of them escaping is getting away clean?  They got massacred, then Luke stalled for a few min while the remaining scraps snuck out the back door.  How in the world did Luke defeat anyone?

All Luke did was tell her why the Jedi needed to end.  

 

I never said they didn’t take massive casualties (altho the vast majority were before they even landed on Crait).   You said they only got a 5 min headstart which is false.   A 5 min headstart implies that the FO would get back to chasing them down in a matter of minutes.  The FO cannot track them since Holdo obliterated the Super Destroyer.  The FO has no idea where they went.  Regardless of how many survivors remain, they got away.  That’s how there’s gonna be an Ep 9   

Yes, Luke did defeat them.  You do know you don’t have to shoot, kill or blow something up to achieve a military victory, right?  He convinced the FO and Kylo Ren, the new Supreme Leader, that he was there and unstoppable.  All from across the universe!!  He saved the Resistance.  Allowing them to escape was unequivocally a victory.  Even more important is that the story of this battle instantly became a legend across the galaxies.  What Luke did is the fire that sparks the rebellion.  This legend is going to change everything as we saw the slave children reenacting the battle with their toys at the end of the movie  

That’s not all Luke did with Rey. No, he didn’t give her the formal training that Yoda gave Luke.  He did what Obi Wan first did where he broke down what was the Force is (she thought it was a Jedi weapon, remembers?). He also explained the dynamic in a brutally honest way telling how the Jedi/Sith are obsolete.  If you were looking for more of a Dagobah training experience, I understand the disappointment but that would’ve completely missed the point. 

[MKnight82]

12 minutes ago, thrILL! said:

You said they only got a 5 min headstart which is false.

Its pretty much the equivalent.  Luke did nothing until most of them were dead.  

14 minutes ago, thrILL! said:

The FO cannot track them since Holdo obliterated the Super Destroyer.

So she did more than Luke IMO.

15 minutes ago, thrILL! said:

Yes, Luke did defeat them.  You do know you don’t have to shoot, kill or blow something up to achieve a military victory, right?  He convinced the FO and Kylo Ren, the new Supreme Leader, that he was there and unstoppable.  All from across the universe!!  He saved the Resistance.  Allowing them to escape was unequivocally a victory.  Even more important is that the story of this battle instantly became a legend across the galaxies.  What Luke did is the fire that sparks the rebellion.  This legend is going to change everything as we saw the slave children reenacting the battle with their toys at the end of the movie  

I don't consider 99% casualties a victory.  It will take them YEARS to rebuild.  

16 minutes ago, thrILL! said:

If you were looking for more of a Dagobah training experience, I understand the disappointment but that would’ve completely missed the point. 

That would at least explain how Rey is able to do what she can do.  Right now it makes no sense that she can use Jedi abilities the way she can.

[Mox]

On 1/9/2018 at 2:27 PM, HorizontoZenith said:

I don't think it is open to debate on whether or not it's a bad movie.  Rian Johnson is literally a top 20 writer/director working right now.  If all the characters and mythology were changed and it wasn't Star Wars, it would be receiving a ****ton of praise. 

While I agree RT is like the worst way to measure a movie I think this is very debatable. The clear and obvious divisiveness of the movie matters. It's not a bad movie but I think that keeps it from ever being considered a great movie. I hated Looper so I'm not high on Rian Johnson at all. Though I guess top 20 isn't really that glowing of praise.