wcblack34 Posted Tuesday at 05:27 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:27 PM 22 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: It's a fun conversation nothing more. Zero people likely think he'll stay this good. This. After last season, I'm fine with some wild speculation about GOOD things this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted Tuesday at 05:32 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:32 PM 24 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: It's a fun conversation nothing more. Zero people likely think he'll stay this good. that's interesting - I don't think he's actually been *that good* either - I think he's executing the offense and making good reads for the most part, but there's still some ball placement and timing things that could make things significantly better - those may or may not come along as the season progresses, but I'm still of the belief that he's a product of the system to this point rather than the straw stirring the drink. It's sorta 2018 Goff/McVay-esque to this point. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted Tuesday at 05:35 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:35 PM Just now, JDBrocks said: that's interesting - I don't think he's actually been *that good* either - I think he's executing the offense and making good reads for the most part, but there's still some ball placement and timing things that could make things significantly better - those may or may not come along as the season progresses, but I'm still of the belief that he's a product of the system to this point rather than the straw stirring the drink. It's sorta 2018 Goff/McVay-esque to this point. Let's say he continues to play precisely how he has these first three games and does end up going for 40+ TDs and 11 picks - presuming he still looks like "he's just executing the offense," do you risk that he isn't the straw stirring the drink? Wouldn't you at least tag him and make someone give up something for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted Tuesday at 05:37 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:37 PM Just now, wcblack34 said: Let's say he continues to play precisely how he has these first three games and does end up going for 40+ TDs and 11 picks - presuming he still looks like "he's just executing the offense," do you risk that he isn't the straw stirring the drink? Wouldn't you at least tag him and make someone give up something for him? absolutely - I said either in this or another thread that I think it's in the best interest for all involved that they tag and trade him. Let him and his agent find the best fit and opportunity for long term success, and then work on a trade package that allows him to go there. That team gets a potential franchise QB and likely less than market rate for that position, Darnold maximizes his earning potential and gets stability in a good situation, the Vikings net much needed draft capital. Let's get Sam paid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted Tuesday at 06:09 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:09 PM How does tagging work with free agency? Would that money be tied up until they got him traded potentially preventing them from being active in free agency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted Tuesday at 06:10 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:10 PM Just now, vikesfan89 said: How does tagging work with free agency? Would that money be tied up until they got him traded potentially preventing them from being active in free agency? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted Tuesday at 06:19 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:19 PM And that would be like 50 some million? That would definitely complicate things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted Tuesday at 06:23 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:23 PM 3 minutes ago, vikesfan89 said: And that would be like 50 some million? That would definitely complicate things it might, but they can also seek things out and make it happen quickly. There's always going to be a risk that they lose him for nothing if a team is willing to pay him more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted Wednesday at 12:01 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:01 AM 5 hours ago, vikesfan89 said: And that would be like 50 some million? That would definitely complicate things He wouldn't get 50M. Baker Mayfield only got $33M, so unless the Vikings manage to win the Super Bowl, I can't think he'd get much more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted Wednesday at 12:08 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:08 AM 5 minutes ago, swede700 said: He wouldn't get 50M. Baker Mayfield only got $33M, so unless the Vikings manage to win the Super Bowl, I can't think he'd get much more than that. He’s referring to the tag number. And while it won’t be $50M, it will be north of $40M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted Wednesday at 12:34 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:34 AM 2 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: He’s referring to the tag number. And while it won’t be $50M, it will be north of $40M. OK, I just wasn't thinking of the tag, but yes, that's probably the case...the tag number this year was $38M, so it may be a little higher, but it's not going to be anywhere near $50M yet. I still probably wouldn't want to do that, although I imagine if they know a team might sign him to a long-term deal, then that would be acceptable. It certainly would be for less than the 2 first-rd picks. I'd actually be surprised if they'd even get 1 first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted Wednesday at 12:42 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:42 AM IMO: Outside of a Super Bowl Appearance from Darnold, JJ McCarthy is our starting QB next year (Sam not on the roster), and additional cap space devoted to filling out the roster even more. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted Wednesday at 12:45 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:45 AM 6 minutes ago, swede700 said: OK, I just wasn't thinking of the tag, but yes, that's probably the case...the tag number this year was $38M, so it may be a little higher, but it's not going to be anywhere near $50M yet. I still probably wouldn't want to do that, although I imagine if they know a team might sign him to a long-term deal, then that would be acceptable. It certainly would be for less than the 2 first-rd picks. I'd actually be surprised if they'd even get 1 first. A 2nd and 3rd would be fine by me. If that happens it send a message to other FA around the league that you can go to Minnesota, be part of a winning culture, and they’ll do right by you. The only real downside is the risk of not finding a trade partner. They’ll have a very good idea of what his market is before they make that decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worm Guts Posted Wednesday at 01:10 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:10 AM (edited) 36 minutes ago, swede700 said: OK, I just wasn't thinking of the tag, but yes, that's probably the case...the tag number this year was $38M, so it may be a little higher, but it's not going to be anywhere near $50M yet. I still probably wouldn't want to do that, although I imagine if they know a team might sign him to a long-term deal, then that would be acceptable. It certainly would be for less than the 2 first-rd picks. I'd actually be surprised if they'd even get 1 first. If a team is willing give a QB a starting caliber contract, they are probably willing to give up a first round pick. Anyone you would want as a starting QB is worth that. Edited Wednesday at 01:11 AM by Worm Guts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted Wednesday at 01:59 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:59 AM (edited) I just watched the QB School episode on Darnold’s week 3, and he’s definitely still finding himself in the offense. He’s not close to the way Kirk was playing before he got hurt last year. The scheme and defense are doing a lot of the heavy lifting. There were late throws, off target throws, and a couple that were lucky they weren’t ints. It makes me both excited for when he gets all of his weapons back healthy, and also nervous that he’s going to go over the cliff if he gets overly confident. If they’re going to keep this going O’Connell needs to keep him centered and focused. Edited Wednesday at 03:21 AM by JDBrocks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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