TENINCH Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, tom cody said: The Jags. That team is something special especially that defense. If Bortles can play somewhat adequate I could see them doing something special this year. I think they've played a pretty easy schedule. When tested against good opponents the only good team they beat was Pittsburgh in Week 5. http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/jax/jacksonville-jaguars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedyg Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, TENINCH said: I think they've played a pretty easy schedule. When tested against good opponents the only good team they beat was Pittsburgh in Week 5. http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/jax/jacksonville-jaguars It's true that the Jags have played a relatively "soft" schedule. But keep in mind that this defense isn't just "beating" teams. They are completely shutting teams down. Anyone who has watched this team has had the feeling that the Jaguars offense needs to score a touchdown. 10 point lead is as good as a win and two score is out of reach. Say what you want about circumstances, but they picked off Ben 5x. Wilson 3x. Worst passing day for Flacco ever. Two 10 sack games. This defense did not only shut teams down, they have carried the offense and scored to win the team games. Until Wilson did his thing in the 4th, that Seattle game was dominated by Jax on both ends. They are also one of the teams that actually has done a good job of stopping that Rams offense (they had two ST touchdowns if I recall, or at least 1 that went for TD and the other that gave it to Rams in scoring position). The ST was the difference in that game. And that game was before Blake got going (no joke, the Rams were playing goal line defense in midfield and Jags were still running the ball into that wall) The past three weeks with the OL finally having their original guys healthy, Blake has been playing well in the pocket and dropping dimes on deep balls. The receivers are running away from defenders as well (Lee, emergence of Cole Dede and now even Mickens showing playmaking ability). I'm never going to give the Jags the advantage against two playoff tested QBs like Brady and Ben, but I wouldn't put it past this defense to further elevate their game....especially if they can just play and no longer have to feel like they need to carry an offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 10 hours ago, .Buzz said: The excitement isn't just about the stats, it's what he looks like playing. He seriously has played these past few games as good as probably any QB has played in the NFL. This. I mean this in all seriousness, over the last three weeks, he’s thrown ~5 passes (not including obvious throwaways) that weren’t spot on in a place that the receiver - and receiver alone - could make a play on the ball. He isn’t throwing 50/50 balls that the receivers are winning, so it looks good. He’s throwing into 50/50 coverage, but spotting the ball so the defender can’t make a play on it. He’s finding open receivers and leading them for RAC. He’s manipulating the pocket, doing everything he needs to. I don’t expect this level of play to stick. It’s just so far from anything we’ve seen before from Blake. And without it being over a larger sample size, it’s hard to believe this is permanent. But if this is a change in who he is as a player, he can do this against anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 hours ago, TENINCH said: I think they've played a pretty easy schedule. When tested against good opponents the only good team they beat was Pittsburgh in Week 5. http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/jax/jacksonville-jaguars Ok? It's not like we're just barely skating by all these teams: Houston - 45-7 IND - 30-10 iND - 27-0 CIN - 23-7 BAL (who may get wildcard) - 44-7 PIT - 30-9 How many teams are winning that many games by margins like that? Either way, we just beat Seattle the week after the defense did a fine job slowing down Wentz and a guy who has played like an MVP level player in Russell Wilson. We killed a Baltimore team who is currently about to make the playoffs. We beat Pittsburgh and forced Big Ben to throw 5, yes FIVE, interceptions. We played LAR right to the wire but special teams problems did us in.We lead the league in several defensive stats and have been compared to other defenses over the last 30-40 years because of how dominating we've been (we're not the first team to have an easier schedule, why aren't other teams that have had schedules that weren't too bad done things like this?). We lead the league in rushing and are top 5 in ypc. The list goes on. Either way this team is a very good team. How good? I guess we'll see. But it's definitely worthy of being where it's at right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Rams, they don't have to deal with Pitts or New England on the road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 hours ago, TENINCH said: I think they've played a pretty easy schedule. When tested against good opponents the only good team they beat was Pittsburgh in Week 5. http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/jax/jacksonville-jaguars I haven’t bothered to look at schedules, but what good teams have the Steelers or Patriots beaten this year? Or good teams the Rams have beaten? I don’t imagine they’ve beaten more than one or two if we’re not going to acknowledge the Seahawks, Ravens or Chargers as good opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 36 minutes ago, iPwn said: I haven’t bothered to look at schedules, but what good teams have the Steelers or Patriots beaten this year? Or good teams the Rams have beaten? I don’t imagine they’ve beaten more than one or two if we’re not going to acknowledge the Seahawks, Ravens or Chargers as good opponents. Yea, it's silly to not consider the Seahawks, Ravens, or Chargers to be good teams. The Rams have beaten two if we're using that definition: Jax and NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl4life07 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, jrry32 said: Yea, it's silly to not consider the Seahawks, Ravens, or Chargers to be good teams. The Rams have beaten two if we're using that definition: Jax and NO. The Rams also have beaten the Cowboys in Dallas with a full compliment on offense at their disposal. Lets not forget the Rams traveled the most or at worst 2nd most in the NFL. They were away from LA for a month traveling to Jacksonville, London, then New York. That’s not an easy travel for West Coast team to go across country twice and go to another country within that stretch but yet the Rams won all 3 games beating their opponents 112-34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinderFournette Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 15 hours ago, lancerman said: The thing is, you bank on consistency. Blake Bortles has balled out the last 3 things. Here's the issue. Texans: 32nd in points per game. Colts: 31st in points per game Seattle: tied for 12 in points per game (but their defense is depleted at this point in the season and they just dropped 32 and 40 points in their last couple of games) So Bortles has played good. New England and Pittsburgh are top ten in points per game. They have two of the premier offenses in the league. They have two of the best home field advantages in the league. They have two of the most successful coaches and QB's in the league. They have three of the most game breaking offensive players in the league. That's not a road I bet money on. Bortles will have to play like he did against a the two worst defenses in the league against two top 10 defenses. Last time jags were in playoffs we beat the steelers twice in a 30 day span both times in pittsburgh. I take it you didnt watch the jags-steelers game this year. Jags defense dominated big Ben and this supposedly amazing offense. Jags offense did their fair share as well. Im not a doctor so im not saying if Brown will be able to play but hes got a torn calf and if hes out for a week or 2 they might lose and wont get that 1 or 2 seed. Bortles while he didnt have a grwat game was more then likely still gettibg fimiliar with Hacketts offense mot to mention our wr position gaining valuable experience(we essentially have 4 rookie/1st year guys) and marquise lee and allen hurns. Hurns hasn't practiced since he got hurt. Lee just got hurt with an ankle. Our wr position is very green and so far they are stepping up to the challenge. These wrs seem like legit deep threats. Blakes been killing it on a deep fade i believe. Again u bring up it up that its against crap teams but blakes went out there done what hes needed to and won the game. Hes playing his best ball to date right now and while u might not thibk bortles can handle big games ive watched him do it multiple times in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Slim Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 5 hours ago, bcb1213 said: Rams, they don't have to deal with Pitts or New England on the road this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2017/week-15-dvoa-ratings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 17 hours ago, iPwn said: I haven’t bothered to look at schedules, but what good teams have the Steelers or Patriots beaten this year? Or good teams the Rams have beaten? I don’t imagine they’ve beaten more than one or two if we’re not going to acknowledge the Seahawks, Ravens or Chargers as good opponents. Yeah, we also haven't been tested much. It's part reason why I don't expect to see NE in playoffs. Watson led Texans, Chargers, Steelers barely. Only good teams we've beaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said: Yeah, we also haven't been tested much. It's part reason why I don't expect to see NE in playoffs. Watson led Texans, Chargers, Steelers barely. Only good teams we've beaten. The Texans and Chargers wouldn’t count under the assumption that the Jaguars have only beaten one. But I did look. Saints would count. Maybe the Falcons. But this is par for the course for teams. You get maybe two or three premier matchups per year per team, and they rarely win more than one or two. And by the end of the year, teams are beaten up so those wins often get *discredited* by people too. The Patriots beating the Saints, Falcons, Chargers, Bills and Steelers are adequate tests to show they’re a quality team. Does it show they’ll run the table? No, but the slate of games that teams face never do show that. The Jaguars beating the Steelers, Chargers, Seahawks and Ravens are adequate tests too. The way they’ve dispatched many teams - with eight two or more score wins - also shows this is a quality team that isn’t skating by with luck against bad teams. The path to the AFC Championship for the Jaguars night simply be repeating wins against the teams they’ve already beaten. Beating the Ravens by 37 points/Chargers in OT and the Steelers by 21 doesn’t mean we’ll beat them in the playoffs by that much on the way to the AFC Championship game, but the team is capable of winning those games. Because the playoffs are one and done, the Jaguars definitely could flop when they get there (they aren’t infallible, after all), but I just think the “they haven’t been tested, so they definitely will flop” is off. They’ve been tested about as adequately as a team can be tested in the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmurtry86 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Rams seem to be more likely. Very tough to get to a Super Bowl without a good QB unless your mediocre QB gets really hot and you get lucky with your playoff matchups With Wentz out, there's no NFC team I would say is definitively better than the Rams. I have some reservations about LA's chances but the Jaguars seem very unlikely to make it barring a Ravens/Giants type run. That said, if the Pats blow their seeding advantage and the Jags end up getting a bye, it's more likely. I just don't see them winning 3 straight playoff games against teams which have high powered offenses. The "defense wins championships" mantra hasn't been true for awhile unless you add the caveat of "as long as your QB is hot or you get some lucky bounces/plays along the way" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I’ll post this question here because this is the two teams it most applies to this year. The level of change from being a team that hadn’t gone to the playoffs in years to Super Bowl winner is pretty huge. It’s not a path that can be traveled in one offseason very easily. It usually takes a year for players to break out and get them to the playoffs, and another year for new additions to bring together the missing pieces to be able to run a gauntlet of teams. So with that in mind - does playoff experience actually matter, or is it simply a marker that shows the team has been progressing for a while? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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