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Merry Christams Mock. 3 Rounds (Browns trades)

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21 minutes ago, zappa13004 said:

To replace Spain ? Ben Jones can also play G so they could find the best combination with both, sounds good to me.

I think Price can play all 3 of the interior spots. Spain and Kline are both FAs so whoever they choose to not resign, Price can take their spot.

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Like the first round Bengals pick.  Love the third rounder.  In the second, it's not that I don't like Braden Smith as much as I hate missing out on a center, but honestly, this is probably accurate.  We have been taking centers in the fourth round forever it seems (Bodine, Luigs, Guiciac, etc).  As for the Okorafor pick, I need to watch a lot more of him.  He is very athletic, but we play more of a power system.  Hopefully we change O-lone coach, abd can get more out of the position.  The last "athletic" OT we took is still afire on the left side of our line (Ogbuehi).

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1 hour ago, INbengalfan said:

Like the first round Bengals pick.  Love the third rounder.  In the second, it's not that I don't like Braden Smith as much as I hate missing out on a center, but honestly, this is probably accurate.  We have been taking centers in the fourth round forever it seems (Bodine, Luigs, Guiciac, etc).  As for the Okorafor pick, I need to watch a lot more of him.  He is very athletic, but we play more of a power system.  Hopefully we change O-lone coach, abd can get more out of the position.  The last "athletic" OT we took is still afire on the left side of our line (Ogbuehi).

Honestly i didn't watch any Western Mich game so i only read reports and saw some short vids on web about him. He seems to good and like i wrote in the comment of that pick, we'll see him at the Senior Bowl and it will give to us a better idea of who he is and who he can be. C in the 4th ? I think some will be available like Quessenberry or Clapp (better as a guard ?) or Golson from Auburn or Bozeman from Alabama. Sure i know youd prefer Price or Cole but...

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On 12/19/2017 at 8:17 AM, zappa13004 said:

16- Packers : Carlton Davis CB Auburn
They still need to improve their coverage. Davis has size and cover skills to warrant a mid first round pick. 

IF the Packers are in a position to draft an EDGE, and they don't I'm going to be royally upset.  Assuming they don't have character red flags that they can't get over, I think you'd have to take Arden Key [EDGE; LSU] here.  The Packers don't really get the opportunity to draft that kind of EDGE very often.

On 12/19/2017 at 8:17 AM, zappa13004 said:

48- Packers : Austin Bryant OLB Clemson

I'm kinda disappointed that Connor Williams didn't slide one more pick.  He'd be incredibly tempting to draft.  But with Harold Landry [EDGE; Boston College] as the better EDGE prospect, the Packers would likely take him before Bryant.

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49 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

IF the Packers are in a position to draft an EDGE, and they don't I'm going to be royally upset.  Assuming they don't have character red flags that they can't get over, I think you'd have to take Arden Key [EDGE; LSU] here.  The Packers don't really get the opportunity to draft that kind of EDGE very often.

I'm kinda disappointed that Connor Williams didn't slide one more pick.  He'd be incredibly tempting to draft.  But with Harold Landry [EDGE; Boston College] as the better EDGE prospect, the Packers would likely take him before Bryant.

I agree about the edge rusher need, thats why the 2nd rpund is on one. About Key, he has talent ! But im wondering his real level, can he play the run too ? He could be another version of Leonard Floyd you know well in your division but not so sure for now. About Harold Landry, i watched two games of BC this year with my eyes on him and honestly i was very disapointed by his lack of motor and unidimensional game but of course 1- im not a scout and 2- Two games ! That is not enough to have serious opinion. But he'll be in Mobile and i'll watch him closely during that week of practices and the game.

Watching some of Clemson games i was very impressed by Austin Bryant !

Dont understand your interest for an OT ? Bak, Bulaga, Spriggs, none are bad, none are old. So a 2nd round on the position even if Williams would have "value" at this point, i wonder ?

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I'm not a Mayfield fan but I like the direction you went for us in the draft. QB, C, RB and Edge. All big needs for us.

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I don't see how we can (again) pass on a good RB prospect in the third round. Either Georgia RB should be the pick.

Chubb would be my first or second choice of everyone in the draft. Love it.

Elliot is a good choice. We already have a starting free safety from last year's second round pick. But our CBs and LBs need all the help they can get in coverage.

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22 hours ago, zappa13004 said:

I agree about the edge rusher need, thats why the 2nd rpund is on one. About Key, he has talent ! But im wondering his real level, can he play the run too ? He could be another version of Leonard Floyd you know well in your division but not so sure for now. About Harold Landry, i watched two games of BC this year with my eyes on him and honestly i was very disapointed by his lack of motor and unidimensional game but of course 1- im not a scout and 2- Two games ! That is not enough to have serious opinion. But he'll be in Mobile and i'll watch him closely during that week of practices and the game.

Watching some of Clemson games i was very impressed by Austin Bryant !

Dont understand your interest for an OT ? Bak, Bulaga, Spriggs, none are bad, none are old. So a 2nd round on the position even if Williams would have "value" at this point, i wonder ?

Definitely understand the concerns regarding Arden Key.  I'd also make the argument that the Packers don't get the opportunity to draft players as talented as Key in normal year, when they're picking in that 22-30 range more often than not.  I'm not opposed to Carlton Davis as the Packers need another CB to play on the boundary opposite of Kevin King, but I think EDGE is a more likely option.  As for Landry, I'm not sure I totally agree with that viewpoint.  I don't have any issues with his motor.  But I don't think you can teach that first step or bend.  He gets really low to the ground, and can turn the corner.  I just haven't been as impressed by Bryant, but that might just be me.

As for my interest in an OT, I think the best way to describe it would be as opportunistic.  IF Connor Williams had stayed healthy, we'd likely be talking about a potential top 10 pick in this year's draft.  Instead, he's probably going to get passed up a bit and fall into that late 1st, early 2nd range.  Bakh is our starting LT, period.  Bryan Bulaga tore his ACL against the Lions, and he's a pretty strong bet to start the year on the PUP list next year as he recovers.  And depending on how the post-season medical evaluation goes, he could be a cap casualty.  I don't think he will be, but it's certainly a possibility.  Jason Spriggs has gotten the starts at RT since being activated off the IR, and he's been better than he was before he was put on the IR.  But he's still got his issue.  I've got mixed feelings about his future, and if the opportunity presented itself I wouldn't hesitate to draft an OT if the value was there.

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Outstanding for the Bucs. Our 3 biggest positions of need, though we may go CB in the second instead of third depending on who is available.

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On December 19, 2017 at 9:30 AM, The Gnat said:

I wouldn't complain about that Vikings draft at all. I can see them passing on DE in round three and go with QB.

I don't think the Vikes will look at a DE this early. Weatherly and Bower have both shown promise and I can't see Robison retiring just yet. Griffen and Hunter is as good as it gets for a DE duo.

i could see QB as a possibility, but I think if it doesn't happen in round one or two it probably doesn't happen at all.

CB is probably the position that I lean towards here. 

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On 25/12/2017 at 6:01 AM, vikingsrule said:

I can't see Robison retiring just yet

It was assuming he'd retire. 

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On 23/12/2017 at 4:50 AM, bucsfan333 said:

We already have a starting free safety

Dont you think Elliott has what it takes to also play SS next to Evans ?

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On 25/12/2017 at 12:25 AM, bigdog2372 said:

we may go CB in the second

For now i see Elliott better than any CB available, but we're far away and there is a lot yet to happen in the pre draft process...

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On ‎12‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 8:17 AM, zappa13004 said:

Not a playoff picture, based on current standings (19 dec)

 

1- Browns : Sam Darnold QB USC
Josh Rosen looks like the more ready but if Darnold declares he is the one despite his mechanics. Big arm, throwing accurately while escaping the pressure , throwing through tight windows. He made mistakes this past season but that is not what scouts look for. He has a bright future, my humble opinion.
 
2- Giants : Josh Rosen QB UCLA
It seems time is coming to see someone else than Eli under center for the Giants. And im not talking about Geno Smith.
Rosen has some flaws but the biggest probably is his free speaking vs NewYork medias ! It could be a distration. But on the field that guy has tons of talent and the potential to be their face of the franchise for the next 10+ years.
 
3- Colts : Quenton Nelson G Notre Dame
We rarely see an interior lineman selected that high but they have to do their best to keep Luck healthy. Put Nelson between Castonzo and Kelly and Luck should have some time to throw.
OTs bring more positionnal value but Nelson is by far the best Olineman of that draft.

4- 49ers : Minkah Fitzpatrick CB Alabama 
Barkley would be enticing especially with his pass catching abilities as we saw what Shany did with his RBs in Atlanta in the passing game. Talking about his former RBs, they were a 4th and a 3rd rounder so i guess he could pass on one in the top 5.
Especially with such a deep class.
That team need a CB the worst way and Fitzpatrick is versatile and very good everywhere, outside, nickel or outside.
 
5- Cleveland via Texans : Saquon Barkley RB Penn St 
Tremendous back who can run outside or between tackles. He also has a great character and great hands to be a factor in the passing game.

6- Bucs : Bradley Chubb DE NC St
Various dysfonctionnal things on that team and the biggest one is a weak pass rush. Chubb is a cant miss at this point with his pass rush abilities and his way to also defend the run in a division with some very good QBs and very good RBs.
 
7- Bears : Mike McGlinchey OT Notre Dame
How to help a young QB ? Either by selecting a #1 WR or giving to him more protection. Leno is playing well this year but Massie, though not garbage, is average at best despite having a decent season. McGlinchey isn't perfect though but he increases his value with his ability to play on both sides.  
 
8- Broncos : Da'Ron Payne NT Alabama 
We saw what Peko did bring to that defense but he is 33 and cant be the future. Payne is not only a product of the system in 'Bama, he is very good on his own not because he is surrounded by good players. 

9- Jets : Baker Mayfield QB Oklahoma
He is undersized yes. He raises some off field questions yes. Lamar Jackson depsite flaws on his game has more impressive traits.
But his successor as the Heisman winner is a better passer.
If he were 6'4 he would be in most mock drafts the #1 ! (Okay if he were 6'4 he would not play the same way). But a tall QB playing at this level leading a major program to playoffs would be considered a top 5 pick if not the #1. 
Most of time size matters but not always, he could be one of those examples of it.
He is accurate, he is mobile too. He has work ethic and his teammate root for him.
And his grinta is something very valuable for a team trying to have some success (Grinta = Winner/fighter mentality).
 
10- Bengals : Chukwuma Okorafor OT Western Michigan
I cant wait to see that dude at the Senior Bowl. 

11- Redskins : Roquan Smith LB Georgia
Is he the best ILB to come out since years ? Better than both Rueben Foster and Myles Jack ? He is probably the one with the most potential since Ryan Shazier. Both Zach Brown and Mason Foster will be FA and for now, Kirk Cousins is still a Redskin.

12- Raiders : Maurice Hurst DT Michigan 
They have to increase pressure on opposite QBs. Mack and Irvin are doing it outside but some inside pass rush is needed.
Hurst is very disruptive and i bet he'll steal the show in Mobile.
 
13- Dolphins : Orlando Brown OT Oklahoma
Lack of consistency and probably better on the right side but there he could replace FA to be James and open-up lanes for Drake and whoever else will play RB for that offense.

14- Cardinals : Josh Allen QB Wyoming
Very raw but like a diamond can be raw. Arians knows some about QBs and one year (or half of it) behind Gabbert while working on his flaws and that guy could be their new face of the franchise.

15- Chargers : Derwin James S Florida St
He sure could go higher especially with a good combine but i thought Malik Hooker too would go much higher. 

16- Packers : Carlton Davis CB Auburn
They still need to improve their coverage. Davis has size and cover skills to warrant a mid first round pick. 

17- Bills : Arden Key DE LSU
Will Hughes be there next year ? Key could replace him. He is an highly talented player but will drop some because of some off field issues.
 
18- Bills via Chiefs : Christian Wilkins DT Clemson

19- Cowboys : Vita Vea NT Washington 
With Crawford, Collins or Irving (FA) they have yet guys to put pressure from the inside, what they lack is a big run stuffer in the middle, one better than FA to be Paea. Vea is a moutain of a man with some pass rush abilities but his real strength is to occupy blockers and to oblige RBs to take a looong road to get around him.

20- Titans : Denzel Ward CB Ohio St
Does not have ideal size but he is glue to WRs.
 
21- Ravens : Courtland Sutton WR SMU
He could go much higher as personnaly i see him being better or at least as good as Corey Davis who went #5 last year. We're still far from April...
 
22- Lions : Derrius Guice RB LSU
Will they find a RB able to carry the load ? Or maybe the question is will they draft a RB able to stay healthy ?
 
23- Seahawks : Clellin Ferrell DE Clemson
They did bring in Freeney and Jordan but neither are a solution as quality depth on the Dline is a must for them. Ferrell would bring that and he has the potential to be a starter in the near future as Avril is 31 and Bennett 32.

24- Falcons : Taven Bryan DE Florida 
I bet Clayborn will cash in his good season so Bryan could replace him at a cheaper price. He would be an upgrade over Shelby and Crawford with who he'd rotate on their Dline.

25- Jaguars : Calvin Ridley WR Alabama
Despite his drops i like Lee but they wont have money for everyone and ARob is a priority. No emergency with Cole, Westbrook and Wickens on the roster but Ridley is a special talent and will help Bortles or someone else under center.
 
26- Rams : Billy Price C/G Ohio St
1- Price could upgrade Sullivan 2- Price can play guard. There is two solid starters in Saffold and Brown but injuries happen so it is valuable to have someone who can slide without loosing quality from C to G 3- Sullivan is good but he isn't the future, will be FA and the Rams have a young QB there for a long time.
 
27- Panthers : Ronnie Harrison S Alabama 
A solid defender on his own, not only because there is good ones around him. He has very good size and impact the game via tackles in the box but also coverage skills.

28- Steelers : Justin Reid S Stanford 
Mike Mitchell could be upgraded and Reid is versatile enough to form a great duo with Sean Davis for the future.

29- Vikings : Will Hernandez G UTEP
Not the biggest one but reports on him are very good. We will see him at the Senior Bowl and we'll know more about his level.
 
30- Saints : Rashaan Evans LB Alabama
Manti Teo isn't bad especially covering TEs but they'd benefit to have such a mike next to Klein and Anzalone/Robertson.
  
31- Patriots : Joshua Jackson CB Iowa 
They have yet Gilmore and Jones but Butler could leave.

32- Eagles : Christian Kirk WR TAM
Dynamic weapon to replace FA to be Torrey Smith.  

SECOND ROUND

33- Browns : Marcell Ateman WR Oklahoma St 
34- Giants : Bryce Love RB Stanford 
35- Colts : Damien Harris RB Alabama  
36- Patriots via 49ers : Josh Allen LB Kentucky  
37- Browns via Texans : Isaiah Oliver CB Colorado 
38- Bucs : DeShon Elliott S Texas 
39- Bears : Equanimous StBrown WR Notre Dame 
40- Broncos : Brian O'Neill OT Pitt 
41- Jets : Frank Ragnow C Arkansas 
42- Redskins : Derrick Nnadi DT Florida St 
43- Bengals : Braden Smith G Auburn 
44- Raiders : Jaire Alexander CB Louisville
45- Dolphins : Mark Andrews TE Oklahoma 
46- Cardinals : Kolton Miller OT UCLA 
47- Chargers : Connor Williams OT Texas 
48- Packers : Austin Bryant OLB Clemson
49- Ravens : Dallas Goedert TE South Dakota St 
50- Bills : Lamar Jackson QB Louisville  
51- Cowboys : Martinas Rankin G Miss St 
52- Titans : Harold Landry OLB Boston College 
53- Chiefs : James Washington WR Oklahoma St   
54- Lions : Mason Cole C Michigan 
55- Jets via Seahawks : Royce Freeman RB Oregon  
56- Falcons : Isaiah Wynn G Georgia 
57- Jaguars : Martez Ivey G/OT Florida   
58- Bills via Rams : Jerome Baker LB Ohio St 
59- Panthers : Sam Hubbard DE Ohio St 
60- Steelers : Kevin Tolliver CB LSU 
61- Vikings : Dre'Mont Jones DT Ohio St 
62- 49ers via Saints : Simmie Cobbs WR Indiana 
63- Patriots : Desmond Harrison OT West Georgia 
64- Browns via Eagles : TRADE
Browns receive M.Wilkerson DT
64- Jets : Jamarco Jones OT Ohio St

THIRD ROUND

65- Browns : TRADE
Browns receive A.Smith QB
65- Chiefs : Marcus Davenport OLB UTSA 
66- Giants : Tyrell Crosby OT Oregon 
67- Colts : Malik Jefferson LB Texas     
68- 49ers : Ross Pierschbacher G Alabama  
69- Texans : Quin Blanding S Virginia 
70- Bucs : Ken Webster CB Ole Miss 
71- 49ers via Bears : Ronald Jones RB USC 
72- Broncos : Mark Gesicki TE Penn State  
73- Jets : Ogbonnia Okoronkwo OLB Oklahoma   
74- Redskins : Michael Gallup WR Colorado St  
75- Bengals : Troy Fumagalli TE Wisconsin 
76- Raiders : Sony Michel RB Georgia 
77- Dolphins : Nick Chubb RB Georgia 
78- Cardinals : J.C. Jackson CB Maryland  
79- Chargers : Drew Lock QB Missouri
80- Packers : Hayden Hurst TE South Carolina
81- Ravens : Anthony Miller WR Memphis  
82- Panthers via Bills : Dante Pettis WR Washington  
83- Cowboys : Matthew Thomas LB Florida St 
84- Titans : Trenton Thompson DT Georgia 
85- Chiefs : Tavarrus McFadden CB Florida St  
86- Lions : Dontavius Russell DT Auburn
87- Texans via Seahawks : Andre Dillard OT Washington St 
88- Falcons : Rashaad Penny RB SanDiego St 
89- Jaguars : Adam Brenneman TE UMass 
90- Rams : Holton Hill CB Texas 
91- Panthers : Josh Adams RB Notre Dame 
92- Steelers : Kurt Benkert QB Virginia  
93- Vikings : Duke Ejiofor DE Wake Forest 
94- Saints : Dorance Armstrong edge Kansas 
95- Patriots : Luke Falk QB Washington St
96- Bills via Eagles : Kerryon Johnson RB Auburn

Nicely done my friend except the Browns have 3 second round picks

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