Jakuvious Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 1 hour ago, samsel23 said: It’s very possible to switch to a 4-3 under style in one offseason. Honestly we run a lot of the same principles already, so it’s not like we’d be doing a complete change. Tanoh and Jones fit at DE in this scheme, but Jones won’t be playing the edge. Houston fits as an OLB over Jones. The biggest hurdle is your MLB needs to be able to cover a lot of ground. Ragland has been a lot better than I imagined but I don’t think he has enough speed to handle it. He could do pretty well in a KJ Wright role though. Finding a MLB and depth would be the biggest hurdles while also trying to find a good #2 CB. Is there really a point to going 4-3 under, though? It's basically a 3-4 in alignment. Just less two gapping. You may as well stay with the same name and just take away the 2 gap responsibilities, at that point. Go more Wade Phillips style 3-4 than Pete Carroll style 4-3. I do think more 1 gapping would make sense if we let Logan walk. Abandon the big nose concept since it hasn't been working anyway. But other than that you're really lining up the same and just changing the names. Calling Kpass a DE, calling Ragland an OLB, calling RNR or Bailey a DT, etc. Because role wise what Sutton does is functionally identical to the 4-3 under Seattle ran a few years ago (they've since gotten leaner on the DL.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Mayan, it's spelled Jakuvious, and there's no point having this argument again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayanfootball Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Sorry there Jak. If ok I might just stick to that? Spelling corrected in previous posts My old age is showing, I meant no disrespect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 On 12/23/2017 at 2:17 PM, Jakuvious said: Is there really a point to going 4-3 under, though? It's basically a 3-4 in alignment. Just less two gapping. You may as well stay with the same name and just take away the 2 gap responsibilities, at that point. Go more Wade Phillips style 3-4 than Pete Carroll style 4-3. I do think more 1 gapping would make sense if we let Logan walk. Abandon the big nose concept since it hasn't been working anyway. But other than that you're really lining up the same and just changing the names. Calling Kpass a DE, calling Ragland an OLB, calling RNR or Bailey a DT, etc. Because role wise what Sutton does is functionally identical to the 4-3 under Seattle ran a few years ago (they've since gotten leaner on the DL.) No I don’t think it matters what you call it, we are already running a lot of the principles that Seattle, Jacksonville, and Denver run up front and they are viewed as 4-3 teams. A straight up 4-3 would take some work, but like people said not very many teams run a straight 4-3 so it might be possible to find some players later than usual. Personally this is my favorite defensive scheme, and I don’t think we are that far off. A playmaking ILB, along with continued solid play from the #2 CB would change quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayanfootball Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 12 hours ago, samsel23 said: Because role wise what Sutton does is functionally identical to the 4-3 under Seattle ran a few years ago (they've since gotten leaner on the DL.) This hysterical praise for Sutton is laughable. This season has seen Sutton deploy as many DB's as ever. Until recently, he's run a 3 man DL mostly and a 2 man DL. You don't recall his "bend but don't break" philosophy that broke us so many games? I sure do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 28 minutes ago, mayanfootball said: This hysterical praise for Sutton is laughable. This season has seen Sutton deploy as many DB's as ever. Until recently, he's run a 3 man DL mostly and a 2 man DL. You don't recall his "bend but don't break" philosophy that broke us so many games? I sure do. I don’t think I praised Sutton at all. Just said we run a lot of the same principles as teams that are viewed as 4-3 teams. With the difference being we try to use DBs to hide the fact our ILBs don’t have the versatility that DJ in his prime had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayanfootball Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 5 hours ago, mayanfootball said: Because role wise what Sutton does is functionally identical to the 4-3 under Seattle Praise for being smart. You give him too much credit. Running 2 and 3 man fronts when the game demands otherwise is nonsense. Sutton is an idiot masquerading as our DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 1 hour ago, mayanfootball said: Praise for being smart. You give him too much credit. Running 2 and 3 man fronts when the game demands otherwise is nonsense. Sutton is an idiot masquerading as our DC. k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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