Davante Adams traded to the Jets (Conditional 3rd)

[FloydFan]

7 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Every qb he liked we got rid of from carr to stiddy it’s like a weird nfl version of that pawn shop show. With jmdz saying best I can do is jimmy g and telesco saying best I could do is gard

Lol Davante would have thrown the exact same kind of fit had we gone with Stidham. 

[ronjon1990]

7 minutes ago, FloydFan said:

Lol Davante would have thrown the exact same kind of fit had we gone with Stidham. 

In fairness, Davante would've thrown it if we'd kept Carr too, if the results were anywhere near similar. 

That's why I'm not bitter at him at all. He came wanting to build off a playoff performance and a team with an upward trajectory. We quickly gave him the exact opposite. 

[FloydFan]

2 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said:

In fairness, Davante would've thrown it if we'd kept Carr too, if the results were anywhere near similar. 

That's why I'm not bitter at him at all. He came wanting to build off a playoff performance and a team with an upward trajectory. We quickly gave him the exact opposite. 

Exactly, I don't put this blame on Adams at all, albeit it would have been nice if he would have made this decision in the offseason. This is on the franchise and partially AP too.

[Chali21]

3 hours ago, ronjon1990 said:

Yeah there's no reason to back AP on this one. Even as someone who wanted Adams traded a while ago, the handling of this has been amateur. It's just one misstep by AP, but it is indeed a misstep. There's no need to pretend it's not. 

Even a lot of folks who thought AP deserved a shot had to figure in the inevitable bumps in the road. How a locker room guy handles someone who wants out is one of those bumps.

Come hell or high water, I think Adams leaving was inevitable as well. AP isn't doing irreparable damage and alienating Adams in thst regard, per se, but that doesn't mean his handling of the situation was fantastic. McVay didn't handle the Goff situation particularly well either, and his reputation took a very minor hit in some circles, only to rebound just fine shortly thereafter. 

McVay had already made a Super Bowl and then later won one. The most AP has done is won a fluke game against the Chiefs on Christmas. McVay took the league by storm when he became HC, AP has been Jeff Fisher levels of mid between his interim season and his first month in as HC. 

[Chali21]

2 hours ago, ronjon1990 said:

This is true. 

Guys won't fit, even if they're good players. It ain't Madden and just a slightly tangential "scheme fit" based on algorithms. 

Thats why you have to adjust your scheme to the existing players. Heck even Hue Jackson was smart enough to do that with DMC. They switched from zone to power and all the sudden he looked way better. Gesty doesn’t seem to get that. 

[ronjon1990]

7 minutes ago, Chali21 said:

McVay had already made a Super Bowl and then later won one. The most AP has done is won a fluke game against the Chiefs on Christmas. McVay took the league by storm when he became HC, AP has been Jeff Fisher levels of mid between his interim season and his first month in as HC. 

Jeff Fisher is arguably a bit too highnof praise for what this has been. 

[Chali21]

58 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Laughing stock sitting at 2-2? Agree to disagree 

This is one of the most fraudulent 2-2s I’ve ever seen. In all honesty this team should be 1-3 with its only decisive win against the Ravens. They sneaked by the browns. And we’re embarrassed by the Panthers and chargers. They have the same record as three of the other four teams in the west. Is it possible for them to get the 7th seed? Sure because half the AFC is garbage at this point. This weekend is a must win for the team not because it matters in the standings but because the Broncos are a garbage team that JMD never lost to. 

[NickButera]

5 minutes ago, Chali21 said:

This is one of the most fraudulent 2-2s I’ve ever seen. In all honesty this team should be 1-3 with its only decisive win against the Ravens. They sneaked by the browns. And we’re embarrassed by the Panthers and chargers. They have the same record as three of the other four teams in the west. Is it possible for them to get the 7th seed? Sure because half the AFC is garbage at this point. This weekend is a must win for the team not because it matters in the standings but because the Broncos are a garbage team that JMD never lost to. 

I can realistically see us still winning 7+ games, 8 games, having a mediocre record but still looking like hot garbage in each game. 

[Darbsk]

1 hour ago, FloydFan said:

This has nothing to do with what I said. I haven't forgotten anything but I can tell when I see someone making amateur mistakes. It's not a good look. This whole thing has for the one billionth time made the Raiders an absolute laughing stock, and AP is right in the middle of it. Hardly anyone blames Adams for wanting out, but AP has looked like he is having trouble managing the team in the process.

I think it very much depends upon what the team does afterwards. If we trade Adams and continue to play hard, win some games and give a good account of ourselves everyone will soon forget and the whole trade thing and reasons why will be a non issue. If we play badly, get thumped a few times or go on a losing run then a spotlight is thrust into the locker room, leadership, why DA wanted out etc. etc.

[NCOUGHMAN]

19 minutes ago, Chali21 said:

This is one of the most fraudulent 2-2s I’ve ever seen. In all honesty this team should be 1-3 with its only decisive win against the Ravens. They sneaked by the browns. And we’re embarrassed by the Panthers and chargers. They have the same record as three of the other four teams in the west. Is it possible for them to get the 7th seed? Sure because half the AFC is garbage at this point. This weekend is a must win for the team not because it matters in the standings but because the Broncos are a garbage team that JMD never lost to. 

Imo teams like Jax are the laughing stock. We might be the most injured team and still at .500.

[Justwinning]

42 minutes ago, Chali21 said:

This is one of the most fraudulent 2-2s I’ve ever seen. In all honesty this team should be 1-3 with its only decisive win against the Ravens. They sneaked by the browns. And we’re embarrassed by the Panthers and chargers. They have the same record as three of the other four teams in the west. Is it possible for them to get the 7th seed? Sure because half the AFC is garbage at this point. This weekend is a must win for the team not because it matters in the standings but because the Broncos are a garbage team that JMD never lost to. 

Why is it fraudulent?

If we slam him for his losses, then he gets credit for his W's. He's 7-6 so far in his tenure.

The Chargers game was lost by execution (the costly turnovers). How is that solely on AP? The Panthers game though, is 100% on AP. I'll agree there.

[NickButera]

3 minutes ago, Justwinning said:

Why is it fraudulent?

If we slam him for his losses, then he gets credit for his W's. He's 7-6 so far in his tenure.

The Chargers game was lost by execution (the costly turnovers). How is that solely on AP? The Panthers game though, is 100% on AP. I'll agree there.

I have to admit I really don't think he's doing that great of a job. 

But I also have to admit that if he wins this weekend, and he's 8-6 during his time here.....that is crazy impressive considering how atrocious we were in the 9 games prior to him taking over AND how bad our QB situation is.  

I'd have to take a step back and admit, I have no idea how he is finding ways to win games. 

[RaidersAreOne]

Pony up, New York.

 

[bucksavage1]

1 hour ago, ronjon1990 said:

In fairness, Davante would've thrown it if we'd kept Carr too, if the results were anywhere near similar. 

That's why I'm not bitter at him at all. He came wanting to build off a playoff performance and a team with an upward trajectory. We quickly gave him the exact opposite. 

He was gonna force a trade to get to Rodgers no matter what. 
 

Once we didn’t land Brady or Rodgers he was outta here

[ronjon1990]

32 minutes ago, NickButera said:

I have to admit I really don't think he's doing that great of a job. 

But I also have to admit that if he wins this weekend, and he's 8-6 during his time here.....that is crazy impressive considering how atrocious we were in the 9 games prior to him taking over AND how bad our QB situation is.  

I'd have to take a step back and admit, I have no idea how he is finding ways to win games. 

This is sorta the issue, though. 

How many of the wins have come against/as a result of opposing coaches finding ways to lose? 

KC last year and Baltimore this year come to mind as real, quality wins. Of the other 6, one of them is Stefanski mismanaging the heck out of last week, one was against Head Corpse Brandon Staley, 1 was a beating of Tommy DeVito and the Giants, 1 was a close game against a Jets squad that had all but given up. Then Denver, which I'll always appreciate. 

Where we lack evidence is beating a team that genuinely can't afford to lose, isn't garbage, and isn't suffering from a horribly off coaching day. Baltimore isn't sweating an early loss and KC wasn't sweating last Christmas. 

And, heck, I'm not even demanding wins. Our next 4 games come against Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin, Sean McVay, and Amdy Reid. I wouldn't even be mad if we lost all 4, so long as AP isn't getting circles coached around him. We have a skeleton crew and no QB, losses are expected. Just show me something that says "With a better group of players, this guy can turns these losses into wins". 

I think Payton has something to coach for, McVay seems checked out due to injuries but is still a damn good HC, Tomlin is probably coaching for his job this season, and the Chiefs look mortal enough for that game to absolutely matter. 

It'll be the first stretch we've played where stakes truly exist for our opponents. Lose all 4, but play a well coached game, I'm happy. Win all 4 because of some screwball uncharacteristic decisions/key injury/etc....man ot would just feel like HC stat padding.