AngusMcFife Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Just now, HerbertGOAT said: 4-5 is a stretch at this point. Mahomes and Allen are the only ATG QBs playing, Lamar is close but his running is more effective than his passing. 2000-2020 we had 10+ QBs who were at least arguably the best QB in their franchise's history: Brady (for 2 teams) Manning (for 2 teams) Brees Rodgers Rivers Ryan Newton Stafford Big Ben Palmer McNair Russell Wilson McNabb Right now we have like 4, at most. Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, and MAYBE Burrow if you want to discredit Ken Anderson (a mortal sin). That era wasn't just "the new best, who will be surpassed by the next generation", it was THE best ever, period. We will never see a QB era like that again. Those players weren't that good, the league just rigged the passing game to be hyper-efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoboRocket Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 13 hours ago, iknowcool said: I legit did not realize how high the average CMP% has become until this thread. Of the top 12 QBs in passing yards, 10 of them are 68% or higher (CJ Stroud is at 67.6). 5 are at 70%+, including Jayden Daniels at a ridiculous 82%. Justin Fields was at 60% in Chicago. 70.6% this year. I would be interested in seeing how this affects the average game length, assuming it has at all. Poor Anthony Richardson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 4 hours ago, AngusMcFife said: Those players weren't that good, the league just rigged the passing game to be hyper-efficient. Okay? How did the league change things post-2020 for passing to drop off the way it has? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoboRocket Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 6 hours ago, HerbertGOAT said: 4-5 is a stretch at this point. Mahomes and Allen are the only ATG QBs playing, Lamar is close but his running is more effective than his passing. 2000-2020 we had 10+ QBs who were at least arguably the best QB in their franchise's history: Brady (for 2 teams) Manning (for 2 teams) Brees Rodgers Rivers Ryan Newton Stafford Big Ben Palmer McNair Russell Wilson McNabb Right now we have like 4, at most. Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, and MAYBE Burrow if you want to discredit Ken Anderson (a mortal sin). That era wasn't just "the new best, who will be surpassed by the next generation", it was THE best ever, period. We will never see a QB era like that again. The Kurt Warner disrespect! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 38 minutes ago, HoboRocket said: The Kurt Warner disrespect! Jeez, how could I forget? Probably the best QB for both Rams and Cardinals ever, too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 All the reasons mentioned, but here’s another one that relates to two-high; Giving up the underneath is being encouraged. You know those light blue zones in Madden/covering flats? They’re not really doing that. They’re throwing bodies a bit deeper and enticing that throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 I love it. Started really following the NFL closely around ~2003. Favorite type of football game is a 23-20 slobberknocker. Glad it’s not just a foregone conclusion that teams will score 24+ every week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar12 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 That Jets vs Broncos game was like an early 00s game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
game3525 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 6 hours ago, HerbertGOAT said: Okay? How did the league change things post-2020 for passing to drop off the way it has? Yeah, I don't buy the rules thing. Nothing has changed rule wise since 2020 and passing has falling off a cliff. The issue is we had a ton of good/great QBs who retired recently or became washed and they weren't replaced by guys coming into the league in the mid to late 2010s. Like guys like Mariota and Winston should be among the best QB's in the league right now, but instead are busts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 1 hour ago, game3525 said: Yeah, I don't buy the rules thing. Nothing has changed rule wise since 2020 and passing has falling off a cliff. The issue is we had a ton of good/great QBs who retired recently or became washed and they weren't replaced by guys coming into the league in the mid to late 2010s. Like guys like Mariota and Winston should be among the best QB's in the league right now, but instead are busts. agreed going back to 2012 draft. that is 12 years ago, so those QB would be mid 30's. Moving forward there are a lot of QB that never really did much that should be in their prime 2012 -- Luck and RG3 have been out of the league for 5+ years. Tannehill is out. Wilson is hanging on, but has been on a down slide for several years. Only Kirk Cousins is still playing 2013 -- Manuel, Geno, Glennon. Geno is hanging on, but was nothing for nearly 10 years 2014 -- Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Carr, Garoppolo. Only Carr is playing regularly and is a bottom 1/2 to bottom 1/3 QB 2015 -- Winston and Mariota are both backups and have been for a couple years 2016 -- Goff, Wentz, Lynch, Hackenberg, Brissett, Dak. Goff and Dak are starters, Brissett is a career stop gap QB 2017 -- Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, Kizer. Trubisky is a bust, Watson is bad, Kizer was a never a thing 2018 -- Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson, Rudolph. Allen and Jackson are top tier, Mayfield has bounced around and looks like a top 10-15ish QB at the moment. Darnold is having a surprise year, but who knows how long that lasts 2029 -- Murray, Jones, Haskins, Lock, Minshew. None of them have really made a move to get into a top 10 level 2020 - Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love, Hurts. Tua is concussion plagued, Herbert started hot and has faded. Love is a 1 year and ??? Hurts has had a couple solid years, but seems to be at a plateau or maybe regressing 2021 -- Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones. 4 years in and this group should be coming into their prime and 4 have been traded and 1 is overpaid and looking like a bad megaQB contract 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomont Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 4 weeks is a small sample size. Talk to me in November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomont Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 2 hours ago, squire12 said: agreed going back to 2012 draft. that is 12 years ago, so those QB would be mid 30's. Moving forward there are a lot of QB that never really did much that should be in their prime 2012 -- Luck and RG3 have been out of the league for 5+ years. Tannehill is out. Wilson is hanging on, but has been on a down slide for several years. Only Kirk Cousins is still playing 2013 -- Manuel, Geno, Glennon. Geno is hanging on, but was nothing for nearly 10 years 2014 -- Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Carr, Garoppolo. Only Carr is playing regularly and is a bottom 1/2 to bottom 1/3 QB 2015 -- Winston and Mariota are both backups and have been for a couple years 2016 -- Goff, Wentz, Lynch, Hackenberg, Brissett, Dak. Goff and Dak are starters, Brissett is a career stop gap QB 2017 -- Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, Kizer. Trubisky is a bust, Watson is bad, Kizer was a never a thing 2018 -- Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson, Rudolph. Allen and Jackson are top tier, Mayfield has bounced around and looks like a top 10-15ish QB at the moment. Darnold is having a surprise year, but who knows how long that lasts 2029 -- Murray, Jones, Haskins, Lock, Minshew. None of them have really made a move to get into a top 10 level 2020 - Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love, Hurts. Tua is concussion plagued, Herbert started hot and has faded. Love is a 1 year and ??? Hurts has had a couple solid years, but seems to be at a plateau or maybe regressing 2021 -- Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones. 4 years in and this group should be coming into their prime and 4 have been traded and 1 is overpaid and looking like a bad megaQB contract Well and there's that lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleLion Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 I’ll guess ages of quarterbacks are younger by comparison. They don’t produce the kind of results early and some general manager benches their guy. Percentages don’t improve after three seasons then maybe you truly know something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 12 hours ago, Ray Reed said: I love it. Started really following the NFL closely around ~2003. Favorite type of football game is a 23-20 slobberknocker. Glad it’s not just a foregone conclusion that teams will score 24+ every week Peak Jamal Lewis times ay? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 4 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said: Peak Jamal Lewis times ay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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