Blackstar12 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 11 hours ago, bomont said: 4 weeks is a small sample size. Talk to me in November. Wouldn’t the passing stats at least in outdoor stadiums become worse when it becomes colder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 23 hours ago, HerbertGOAT said: Okay? How did the league change things post-2020 for passing to drop off the way it has? Defenders evolve and DCs adapt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Someone on Reddit actually did a great breakdown of this, basically saying that the 2010's Seahawks ruined everything lol Pete introduces the single high safety defense as a staple and comes damn close to creating a dynasty with it Teams hire his staff and try to do the same thing, but fail because duh but now single high safety defenses run the NFL, culminating in 2015 with the No Fly Zone Broncos McVay / Shanahan comes in and destroys single high defenses with his system Teams hire his staff and now offenses are all doing the same thing taking shot plays left and right (also thanks to Chiefs and Mahomes/Hill) Defenses adjust and now just play 2 high shells and disguise Offenses are yet to adjust, and this is where we are now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 #KiperWasRight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Who knew the 2nd Safety was the most pivotal position in the NFL …. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
game3525 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 (edited) 19 hours ago, squire12 said: agreed going back to 2012 draft. that is 12 years ago, so those QB would be mid 30's. Moving forward there are a lot of QB that never really did much that should be in their prime 2012 -- Luck and RG3 have been out of the league for 5+ years. Tannehill is out. Wilson is hanging on, but has been on a down slide for several years. Only Kirk Cousins is still playing 2013 -- Manuel, Geno, Glennon. Geno is hanging on, but was nothing for nearly 10 years 2014 -- Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Carr, Garoppolo. Only Carr is playing regularly and is a bottom 1/2 to bottom 1/3 QB 2015 -- Winston and Mariota are both backups and have been for a couple years 2016 -- Goff, Wentz, Lynch, Hackenberg, Brissett, Dak. Goff and Dak are starters, Brissett is a career stop gap QB 2017 -- Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, Kizer. Trubisky is a bust, Watson is bad, Kizer was a never a thing 2018 -- Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson, Rudolph. Allen and Jackson are top tier, Mayfield has bounced around and looks like a top 10-15ish QB at the moment. Darnold is having a surprise year, but who knows how long that lasts 2029 -- Murray, Jones, Haskins, Lock, Minshew. None of them have really made a move to get into a top 10 level 2020 - Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love, Hurts. Tua is concussion plagued, Herbert started hot and has faded. Love is a 1 year and ??? Hurts has had a couple solid years, but seems to be at a plateau or maybe regressing 2021 -- Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones. 4 years in and this group should be coming into their prime and 4 have been traded and 1 is overpaid and looking like a bad megaQB contract Yup. Robert Mays talked about this the other day. The 2010s was basically a lost era in terms of QB prospects. highly touted prospects who are between the of ages 30-35 should be some of the best QBs in the league right now, but the only ones in that age bracket that are any good is Dak, Geno, and maybe Carr. Compare that to 10 years ago when you had guys ages 30-35 (Rodgers, Ben, Rivers, Romo, Eli, Brees) among the top 5-10 QBs in the league. Edited October 3 by game3525 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 7 hours ago, AngusMcFife said: Defenders evolve and DCs adapt. Okay? So because Defenses got better; the QBs used to actually not be as good? Was Cover 2 not a thing until 2020? Because the previous generation of QBs didn't have any trouble with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar12 Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Cousins doing his part tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Kirk Cousins cracked the code of how to beat cover 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 12 hours ago, AngusMcFife said: Defenders evolve and DCs adapt. They just started doing that in 2022? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 The fact that guys like Flacco/Dalton who were washed 5-7 years ago, whose original teams gave up on them, can come in look better than 1/3 off the current starters is crazy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 On 10/2/2024 at 1:31 AM, sdrawkcab321 said: From 2000-2020 we had some of the greatest qb play of all time. Manning,Brady,brees,rodgers,Russell Wilson,Ben,rivers,luck,cam,Ryan,romo. Just so many all time greats. This was recognized at the time as well. Beyond just the rule changes, it was clear the QB position was stacked during this era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
game3525 Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 7 hours ago, Jlowe22 said: This was recognized at the time as well. Beyond just the rule changes, it was clear the QB position was stacked during this era. Yeah, some fans don't want to admit that the position was stack in that time period (so they just chalk everything up to rule changes) because it leads to an uncomfortable discussion about the 2000s/2010s QBs being overall more talented then the QBs of the 80s and 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted October 4 Author Share Posted October 4 Yes the era of Brees, Brady, Mannings, Ben, Rodgers etc was great, they all are HOFers. But it’s also fair to say that they got inflated stats due to new rule changes that helped offenses(DPI, Holding, Illegal Hits, QB safety rules, etc) and a league-wide bland Cover 3 shift. Both things can be true. Now defenses have adjusted tot he rule changes after a decade, they’re primarily playing Cover 2 and Quarters, rolling the dice on losing by a thousand cuts over the bomb shot. nickel is the official league alignment, no worries about defending the run, light boxes everywhere. They’ve adjusted to new rule changes, OL talent is crap and now they’re getting penalized more than ever for cheating on alignment and false starts. And the QB talent isn’t quite on par, with top guys being more athlete over pure quarterbacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 12 hours ago, NYRaider said: Kirk Cousins cracked the code of how to beat cover 2 Throw it in the middle of the field against the seams? So the same thing that's always beat it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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