CP3MVP Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Like I’m going back this decade and I’m looking at all the excuses and reasons people gave for teams that actually won pre season and during the season, but in the end it didn’t matter. 2020 Bucs. Brady is old and washed, this is never gonna work. There were comparisons to the 2019 Browns in terms of pre season hyped teams that flopped. I’ll never forget that Saints game domination and people saying they can’t win against great teams. Even when they swept through December it was like yeah they’ll beat the nfc east team in the playoffs but that’s it. 2021 Rams. Stafford is a loser even with this teams he’s not winning the ring. I remember when they lost 3 straight in November and into December culminating with the packers loss what people said about that team. Heck go look at any game thread when the Bucs came back and tied their playoff game, people were sure they were gonna fold. 2022-2023 chiefs. This is mostly about people saying that they would fall off without tyreek. In 2022 they had a dominant offense so people had to shut up but they didn’t think the defense would come through in the playoffs. In 2023 the offense wasn’t good at all and they had to finally go on the road in the afc playoffs. People didn’t think the defense could be this dominant in January and February Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 (edited) Maybe 2004 New England? EDIT: Actually nevermind. If I remember correctly the rules changes Bill Polian lobbied for, and NE having to go to Pittsburgh for the AFC title game. Still, the Pats were favored in that game. Just to be on the safe side I'll say 1998 DEN. That was essentially a coronation season. Edited October 12 by TecmoSuperJoe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 That Favre Packers team was the best team in the league wire to wire. More recent than that maybe that Manning Broncos team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 I was a kid when I remember seeing the Packers vs Chiefs Sports Illustrated cover in 1995-96. Packers were expected to take it down and they did. Not sure I've seen another preseason favorite without question win it all. Were the 1998 Broncos expected to go b2b? Or did they expect an Elway falloff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 Saints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 (edited) 8 hours ago, beekay414 said: I was a kid when I remember seeing the Packers vs Chiefs Sports Illustrated cover in 1995-96. Packers were expected to take it down and they did. Not sure I've seen another preseason favorite without question win it all. Were the 1998 Broncos expected to go b2b? Or did they expect an Elway falloff? Packers, and the 49ers were favored ahead of the the Broncos to win the SB in '98 even after the Broncos won. That '97 Packers team was so good, and the Broncos won via a wild card route, so I guess I could see that. Hard to remember the vibes though at that time. Also I guess it depends when you're asking what the perception was. Mid-season? Preseason? From start to finish there haven't been that many unquestioned teams turned victors since the mid 90's at least. Even the '89 49ers weren't runaway favorites that ended up winning. Edited October 12 by TecmoSuperJoe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted October 12 Author Share Posted October 12 1 hour ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: Packers, and the 49ers were favored ahead of the the Broncos to win the SB in '98 even after the Broncos won. That '97 Packers team was so good, and the Broncos won via a wild card route, so I guess I could see that. Hard to remember the vibes though at that time. Also I guess it depends when you're asking what the perception was. Mid-season? Preseason? From start to finish there haven't been that many unquestioned teams turned victors since the mid 90's at least. Even the '89 49ers weren't runaway favorites that ended up winning. It can be at any point during the season. They were teams that were favorites in pre season, the fans turned away from them during the regular season and didn’t believe in them when the playoffs rolled around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drained Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 (edited) I think any of the “doubts” about the Chiefs is literally just talking heads / low iq twitter journalists trying to create a narrative because being a contrarian is cool. They were always pre-season favourites, Mahomes is literally playing the worst fb of his career and people still bet he’s gonna be MVP lol Edited October 12 by Drained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 The correct answer is that every championship team had doubters at some point. Just depends on how much credence you want to lend it, which is insanely subjective. Just look in the other thread - some people say Tampa’s 2020 team was a super team, others say that “everyone” counted them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
game3525 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 17 hours ago, beekay414 said: I was a kid when I remember seeing the Packers vs Chiefs Sports Illustrated cover in 1995-96. Packers were expected to take it down and they did. Not sure I've seen another preseason favorite without question win it all. Were the 1998 Broncos expected to go b2b? Or did they expect an Elway falloff? I doubt it. People forget the 97 Broncos were like the 05 Steelers and 07 Giants. They were a WC team that got hot at the right time. I remember reading an old preview magazine from 98 and they had the Broncos projected to finish 2nd behind KC. I was too young, but I am pretty sure the 93 Cowboys probably fit the bill. Anyone around that time remember? Was their still people who picked the Niners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) "no real doubters" is a vague criteria that could eliminate any team ever. The last time a preseason super bowl betting favorite to win the super bowl won was last year's Chiefs. And before that way back in... 2018. The Pats had the best betting odds, despite losing to Eagles in the SB the year before. Edited October 13 by wackywabbit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 6 hours ago, game3525 said: I doubt it. People forget the 97 Broncos were like the 05 Steelers and 07 Giants. They were a WC team that got hot at the right time. I remember reading an old preview magazine from 98 and they had the Broncos projected to finish 2nd behind KC. I was too young, but I am pretty sure the 93 Cowboys probably fit the bill. Anyone around that time remember? Was their still people who picked the Niners? SF was seen as the only threat to take them down that year. Before the season Dallas was a slight favorite to win it all again. By NFC title game time, they were favorites, but not heavy ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 On 10/11/2024 at 8:55 PM, Ray Reed said: That Favre Packers team was the best team in the league wire to wire. More recent than that maybe that Manning Broncos team? In 2015? Nah, Manning had completely fallen off and didn't even play half the season. It was far from a lock they were going to win that seadon with that offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 11 hours ago, J-ALL-DAY said: In 2015? Nah, Manning had completely fallen off and didn't even play half the season. It was far from a lock they were going to win that seadon with that offense. Yup, I definitely confused the Broncos SB team with the record setting Manning Broncos team a few years prior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelersfan43 Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 2004 patriots were very close despite strong competition in the playoffs.The 1989 49ers were maybe the last one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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